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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 01:56 am |
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Hi,
I just wanted to know about peacock eye print on Jupiter finger. I think I have it on my passive hand, however on my active hand on the Jupiter finger I think I have a whorl. Any ideas what could that mean?
Any meaning to the peacock eye print? Is it a softer version of the whorl?
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 07:05 pm |
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From what I have read -- whorls or peacocks (less impact than whorls) on Jupiter fingers -- mean you love to work independently. You have good ambition, leadership skills and you are good at planning and implementing your skills by yourself without any help. You want a lot of space around you to work.
On the negative side, it could mean egoistic or bossy but these traits are always in combination with other signs on the hand.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 10:14 am |
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in which phalange of your finger you are having the mark.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 02:55 pm |
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Hi,
As per my understanding it is on my first phalanage (the one that has a finger nail). Do other Phalanges have finger prints like loops, whorls and others?
Sorry I may not understand the question.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 06:47 pm |
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Only the top phalanges have finger prints, these are the only carvings in the skin that do not change, even though stress markings do appear and disappear from time to time.
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Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 02:49 am |
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Hi Hansi,
Thank you for your reply, I can not wait for my turn with Den's "Life purpose and life lesson" project / practice.
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 01:51 pm |
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Now I am confused, after reading posts in Den's forum, I think I do not have a peacock eye. I am attaching my Left Jupiter finger print.
What do I have? Anyone?Attached Image (viewed 137 times):
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 01:52 pm |
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Hi Hansi,
Your camera tip worked perfectly. Do not have to buy a new one.
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 01:55 pm |
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A peacock eye is a mix of a loop and a whorl. A whorl has two triradii and a loop has one triradii, but you can confirm that you have a peacock eye has one, and you've got at the bottom left.
That's is most certainly a peacock eye.
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 08:20 pm |
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Chirology wrote: Only the top phalanges have finger prints, these are the only carvings in the skin that do not change, even though stress markings do appear and disappear from time to time.
Hi Ron,
I would like to inform you that whorls and loops are also frequently found on the 3th phalanges of the fingers. However, I would agree if you say that most people do not have any loops, nor whorls on the 2th and 3th phalanges of their fingers.
I also would like to notice that especially the loops on the 3th phalanges are often very hard to observe from an inkprint! So, in many cases you must really take a very close look at these phalanges to notice these pattern.
The example below describes some examples.
Source: http://www.internationalastrologers.com/fingerprints.jpg
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 08:30 pm |
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Helen B wrote: Now I am confused, after reading posts in Den's forum, I think I do not have a peacock eye. I am attaching my Left Jupiter finger print.
What do I have? Anyone?
Hi Hellen,
 Hmm ... I would not describe your fingerprints as a 'peacock'. The basic pattern is a loop, however ... I do see some irregularities in the photo of your fingerprint. And taking a very close look: I see 1 big loop, including a '1- ridge whorl' + a '1-ridge loop' (the last one is positioned at upper right-part of the big loop).
I could present a copy of your photo with some detailed marks - but for the moment I hope you will be able to find the details which I described in your photo with bare eyes.
Additional comment: actually, one could also describe your fingerprint as a double loop - since the upper loop has even more ridges floating together.
Last edited on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 08:33 pm by hand_research
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 03:27 am |
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Martijn Wrote:
I would like to inform you that whorls and loops are also frequently found on the 3th phalanges of the fingers. However, I would agree if you say that most people do not have any loops, nor whorls on the 2th and 3th phalanges of their fingers.
Wow, I could never imagine that there is a possibility to have a whorls and loops on 2nd and 3rd phalanges.
every day learning something new.
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 03:38 am |
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Wow, so this is were I got originally confused when I described my fingerprint as a peacock eye. I read in Johnny Fincham dermatoglyphics section that the peacock eye pattern is one of a whorl inside a loop.
See link below:
http://www.johnnyfincham.com/air_dermatoglyphics.php
I guess it is not that easy to identify a finger print.
Wow, thank Martijn.
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 07:19 am |
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Helen, I looked at Richard Unger's book, Life prints, and that is most certainly a Peacock's eye.
Martijn, I have a arch on my third phalange on my Index finger. I'm going to bring this up in class tomorrow.
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 09:42 am |
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Hi Helen,
Yes, I can understand your confusion. The basics of Johnny's explanation are ok, however in cases of doubt this 'whorl in loop' description provides no solution ...
For:
ANY ASYMMETRIC WHORL MEETS USUALLY THIS 'WHORL IN LOOP' CHARACTERISTIC!!!
Therefore in debatable cases you can use this criterium:
http://www.brazoria-county.com/sheriff/id/fingerprints/id~central~pocket~whorl.htm
You should draw a line between the 2 triradii and then you can see if the lower part of the circular-lines reach beyond this line: if the circular-lines DO NOT PASS THE LINE ... then dermatoglyphic experts say: peacock (or: central pocket).
Example of a peacock (or central pocket):
Example of a whorl:
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 10:08 am |
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Hellen,
I made a zoom-in of your fingerprint ... now it will be more easy for you to see the '1-ridges loop' which I mentioned before in my earlier message:
(quite a lot 'splitting' ridges!)
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 10:13 am |
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I just found Richard Unger's new book at Google:
http://books.google.com/books?id=GuED4Mcfpl0C&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&dq=%22Richard+Unger%22+peacock&source=web&ots=q6BDydnGO2&sig=fPbXa8fu9TzLEdv4aocItlBEVl4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPP1,M1
(about half of the book is online available!)
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 10:26 am |
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Ron Alain,
Richard Unger's description of the peacock does not solve the problem here, for it resembles Johnny Fincham's description:
On page 22 Richard Unger says:
"The peacock is a hybrid: part whorl and part loop"
Johnny Fincham writes on his website:
http://www.johnnyfincham.com/air_dermatoglyphics.php
"The peacock's Eye, or compound, is really a variant pattern from the whorl and thus carries with it much of the same meaning. The pattern is one of a whorl inside a loop, and this perhaps suggests that the qualities it represents are somewhat softer than the pure whorl type. The water element nature of the loop makes the peacock's eye pattern a little more adaptable.
The peacock's eye is only really common on the Fire finger. Indian palmistic traditions attributes this marking as a sign of protection from danger and death, and indeed its owners often do indeed have tales to tell of how they had a lucky escape from potentially fatal situations such as accidents and disasters! Perhaps this can be understood because the whorl pattern is 'protected' by being located inside the loop, given that the fire element is the natural ruler of accidents and danger! Whatever, the best way to interpret the peacock's eye is along much the same lines as the whorl - the presence of the kernel of the whorl is sufficient to differentiate this pattern from the ordinary loop pattern*."
* Obviously, in some cases this description appears to be insufficient. 
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 12:45 pm |
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Hi Martijn,
I love on-line available books
Yea .. 
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 12:48 pm |
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Hi Martijn,
I can not see a zoom-in of my fingerprint that you posted. Can you please re-posted it? I am so curious
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 01:37 pm |
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Hi Helen,
Yes, the image was available ... however it mysteriously diseappeard ...
But I just reposted the 'zoom-in' in my former message!
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 08:19 pm |
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Hi Martijn,
It is still not available
Can you please re-posted it again, I can not wait to see it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 08:29 pm |
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 double post, my un-patience is showing its results. however I will use that moment:
Martijn for your posts.
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 08:30 pm |
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Martijn wrote:
You should draw a line between the 2 triradii and then you can see if the lower part of the circular-lines reach beyond this line: if the circular-lines DO NOT PASS THE LINE ... |
