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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 06:05 pm |
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Hi Martijn, this is a sample from Fincham's website for peacockeye...so does it require just one tri-radius or two I'm confused now? Thanks buddy.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 06:43 pm |
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Peacock's eye has 2 triradii - one at the normal place underneath the loop and one at the core of the eye. My first attempt at drawing with photshop .... not very steady handed but around the region of the red lines.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 07:24 pm |
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Hi Den,
Sorry for jumping in, however I traced the finger print lines on the Photoshop for you to see. i also attached my son's print for comparancing.
I am analizing prints like this: Peacock is created from the whorl, so it should be similar and have same futures. Now whorls have circules / ovals inside and they are kind of closed, no spaces. because of that future triadii is created, even though peacock eye shape is more oval then whorl and could be pointy you can see that inside it has closed circles / ovals, unlike loop
Hi Martijn / Lynn, please correct me if I am wrong
I think image looks much better now,
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 07:40 pm |
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Much better, thanks ladies...I can see shape and lack of triradii on the traced one. My vision is getting worse all the time...yep, it's a loop. I think I am more "loopy" than your son's fingers.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 09:02 pm |
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Sorry Den,
Did not calculated the correct image size in Photoshop, that is why it came in soooooo big, 
I found it easy to understand finger prints when I am trying to trace them, it is like playing a labirinth game.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 08:52 pm |
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Hi,
Out of curiosity, do you think additional loops on palm would some how affect / support / help / change interpretation or identification of Life Purpose / Life Lesson?
I found two loops on my palms. On my left palm in Luna mount (I guess it would be called a "Sensitivity Loop") and on my right palm between Apollo and Saturn fingers (I guess it would be called "Seriousness Loop"). I am attaching pictures just to clarify my founding.Attached Image (viewed 88 times):
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 08:53 pm |
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 09:29 pm |
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Den wrote: Hi Martijn, this is a sample from Fincham's website for peacockeye...so does it require just one tri-radius or two I'm confused now? Thanks buddy.
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Hi Den,
Yes, this picture is misleading ... probably because the author is not aware of the fundamental importance of the triradii!!!
By the way, Lynn version of this 'peacock' illustrates perfectly that this peacock does have 2 triradii.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 09:32 pm |
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Helen B wrote: Hi Den,
Sorry for jumping in, however I traced the finger print lines on the Photoshop for you to see. i also attached my son's print for comparancing.
I am analizing prints like this: Peacock is created from the whorl, so it should be similar and have same futures. Now whorls have circules / ovals inside and they are kind of closed, no spaces. because of that future triadii is created, even though peacock eye shape is more oval then whorl and could be pointy you can see that inside it has closed circles / ovals, unlike loop
Hi Martijn / Lynn, please correct me if I am wrong
I think image looks much better now,
Hi Helen,
I am not sure what your question is exactly ...?
But your son's fingerprint (the photo on the left) should be classified as a 'loop'.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 10:52 pm |
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Hi Martijn,
Yes, it is a loop, we were discussing a difference between the peacock and loop.
My son's loop appeared as a peacock from the first look, however it is not even close to peacock it is a radial loop (it is his left Index Finger), so I traced both prints to show the difference between images.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 10:58 pm |
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 Ok, I understand.
In the future you can limit the traces to those ridges which start in the triradii (... I hope you can find them). By the way, I think I can see the triradius in your son's fingerprint! (next time try to create a photo with higher quality ... than you might find it more easily)
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 11:10 pm |
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Martijn wrote:
By the way, I think I can see the triradius in your son's fingerprint! (next time try to create a photo with higher quality ... than you might find it more easily)
Hi Martijn,
I am attaching my son's Left Index finger's print, let me know what you think. I hope image here is clearer.Attached Image (viewed 75 times):
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 11:43 pm |
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Helen B wrote: Martijn wrote:
By the way, I think I can see the triradius in your son's fingerprint! (next time try to create a photo with higher quality ... than you might find it more easily)
Hi Martijn,
I am attaching my son's Left Index finger's print, let me know what you think. I hope image here is clearer.
Hi Helen,
I have followed the basic 3 ridges from the triradius - and I also marked some 'splitting ridges' from the upper basic ridge: which shows what is going on in the central part of this fingerprint!
(I hope you understand now why finding the triradii is so important! - even on this excellent photo it is quite hard to see the exact path of the ridges)
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 12:39 am |
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Hi Martijn,
i got it, thank you. I am sure I will need more practice, but I think I understand the importance of following the triradii.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 07:01 pm |
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Hi Ronelle,
I am posting my finger prints below. Here is for Right Hand:
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 07:02 pm |
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Here is my Left Hand.
I also have two additional loops on palms. I posted them in this forum. I was wondering if they will have any impackt on final Life Purpose / Life Lesson?
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 03:56 am |
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Ok, here we go with my print classifications. I wonder how bright my light bulb got on 
Right Fingerprints (from Thumb to Pinky)
Whorl / less then whorl, but more then peacock / loop / loop / loop
Left fingerprints (from Thumb to Pinky)
Loop / more then loop, but less then peacock / loop-tented arch / slightly damaged loop-tented arch / loop
So it would look like this:
4.0 / 3.75 / 3 / 3 / 3
3 / 3.25 / 2.5 / 2.5 / 3
From above calculations, my highest ranking prints is on the right thumb, however since my next ranking print is Right Jupiter, it will also manifest in the Life Purpose
Life Purpose – The Master of Success / The doer, however could be a “Big Shot” if will elevate my Right Jupiter Print
My Lowest ranking prints are Left Saturn and Left Apollo
Life Lesson – Guilt Issues and Disapproval Fears
School:
Whorls – 1 may be 2 (not enough for School of Service)
Loops – 6 may be 7 if I will use 2 loops from tented archs (may be enough for School of Love)
Tented Arch – 2 (should be enough to get into a School of Wisdom)
Arch – 0 (not enough to be in School of Peace)
Ok, how did I do so far? Please let me know
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 03:16 pm |
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Hi all,
thinking about my prints.
Do I have Tentech arch energy dominating on my Right Saturn? I am not sure now? From one side it could, but from another.....
I would really appreciate your inputs
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 12:52 am |
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Hey Helen!
You've done a superb job on your own prints...which are really tough ones!
I would say:
Whorl|Super-Peacock|Loop-Tent|Loop-Tent|Loop
Loop|Basic Peacock|Tented Arch-Loop|Tented Arch-Loop|Loop
Life Purpose=I would go ahead and include your Super Peacock and give you Big Shot.
Life Lesson=No wonder you had such a hard time...having to get super-picky about just HOW tented archy all your loop-tents are. To distinguish lower-rankers I called them Tented Arch-Loop (rather than the other way around, Loop-Tent). I agree that Left Saturn is the lowest (most tent, least loop) with Left Apollo a close second. "I don't deserve to be myself/just being who I am isn't valuable" could be iterations of the translation of these. This is a very heavy combo for a life lesson and your motto with your profile of "Life is worth living" is like your positive statement against how you feel with your lesson.
Life School=Not easy on this score either. With a strict count you are School of Wisdom...as you concluded. And hitting bumps along the road of learning something would frustrate you in the extreme. It's hard not to know when in the School of Wisdom.
I see about one print chart every two to three years that is like yours in terms of difficulty identifying/ranking prints and determining the School (i.e. about one in a 1,000-1,500 sets of prints). Hopefully, this will be some comfort to you given how long you've struggled to figure them out...no wonder!
When I toss it all together (with your exalted LL) your fulfillment lies in becoming a:
Big Shot Wise Innovative Mentor (latter two words refer to your Exalted LL). Someone who impacts others through the sharing of your wisdom about how to value self and be true to self/individuality. And makes a real living from doing this. And wants to be out on the cutting edge somehow in the way you do this. No wonder you've become interested in hands given their "fringe-y" reputation. The status quo and mainstream, ultimately, aren't for you. But to move towards this requires developing a deep sense of esteem/feeling good about yourself along with being true to yourself in the face of lots and lots of criticism (or the potential of it). Phew. Another brave soul!
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 03:44 am |
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Hi Ronelle,
Wow, I do not know how to express myself. Now it is kind of makes sense to me.
I still need some time to think it over. I feel it is right for me though, but School of Wisdom I guess, needs time to understanding better.
I can strongly relate to "...just being who I am isn't valuable"
"It's hard not to know when in the School of Wisdom", oh.. I can only say too hard, especially if there are bumps on the road of knowledge
Regarding what you said in my Life fulfillment: "Someone who impacts others through the sharing of your wisdom about how to value self and be true to self/individuality"
I am still in search for true self / individuality and learning to value self, hard way mostly through the cutting edges.
Plus with the Big shot as Purpose, I guess I am still in developing process, as per Richard's book I have another 10 - 15 years until full development
I am still a baby
But to be serious, thank you very much for all your inputs. You helped me to clear my thoughts and override one more bumpy street on fingerprint identification road. By understanding my prints, I kind of got an idea of the system (just need to practice more with Den, under his supervision )
You also helped me to understand my self little bit better, I know there is more for me to discover, but I am planing to drive my Life Lesson up until to the end, at least I know what I am driving now
Thank you very much 
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