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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 05:28 am |
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| "angle-girl" has posted her hands under the open palmistry forum July 21. She has ambitious fate lines on both hands and on one hand her fate line merges with her heart line. Lots of juicy stuff. Lynn, when you read this, let me know and we can begin a discussion about it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 01:14 pm |
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This post will be interesting..
Question -- I read somewhere that having a strong fateline from the bottom of the palm to the mount of Saturn - does not necessarily mean that the subject will be very prospective and rich or will have easygoing retirement.
On the negative side - chances are he/she might just stick to one career throughout their lives. Like someone who works in a valet parking field - will always work in that field and will not shift their careers.
On the positive side - they will have great job satisfaction in whatever they do.
Is this possible?
Arent we supposed to see the 'effort lines' or 'achievement lines' - lines rising from the lifeline to see how ambitious the person is or have the 'itch' to have new careers?
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 01:28 pm |
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thanks for analyzing my hand ...i use to have both of my fate lines merges with my heart lines then i got a new line on my heart line in the right hand.
i really hope i dont work in a valet parking field all my life....lol
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 02:39 pm |
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| I read the fate line a little bit differently. I see it as a "task completion" line at the broadest level. So for example if it goes from the bottom of the hand in the center to the Saturn finger, that is a person who completes the tasks they begin and usually are finding themselves "workaholic". However, the fate lines that stop at the head line are more short term focused and need to take on shorter term tasks. I don't see it about being the same career. I have long fate lines on both hands, bottom to top and have changed careers a few times but each career I've been in, I do it in 'workaholic' fashion.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 07:02 pm |
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| hi Pamelah - I saw your msg to me on another thread. Just to let you know I've seen this but got a busy few days, had time to quickly read some of the threads here but no time to formulate thoughts & reply!
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 11:27 pm |
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| Ok - I'll go there and make a couple of comments
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Posted: Sat Jul 26th, 2008 12:55 am |
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at last I have time to talk about fate lines with you Pamelah - and everyone!
Yes, angle-girl's is clearly a fate line, as is the one in ink prints you posted on Simian line thread. http://internationalcollegeofpalmistry.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=3550&forum_id=126&jump_to=15951#p15951
Both of them are strong fate lines that veer off towards Jupiter at the top section, hence your comment about "Ambitious fate lines", which I agree with.
On another thread you said
"I disagree with whomever taught you that 'if it doesn't go to Saturn it's not a fate line". I do believe the fate line is more determined by its starting point than it's ending point. And I have an ambitious fate line that ends under Jupiter that begins at the base of the palm so personally I have evidence to the contrary of what you were taught."
I need to clarify the statement about "If it doesn't go towards saturn then it aint a fate line". NB - not "to" saturn, but "towards saturn" Both of these illustrated fate lines set out to go towards Saturn then veer off at the top, and the starting point of both is also typical of many fate lines. It's not like they go direct from base of palm to Jupiter or Apollo or Mercury - they are going in the general direction of Saturn until the top part goes to more ambitious Jupiter. So they are fate lines.
However, I disagree with you that the fate line is more determined by its starting point than it's ending point. (if you are talking about identifying the fate line on the print from its starting point). Though maybe I misundertood you here - if you were saying that the starting point of the fate line is crucial to its interpretation, then I agree.
The fate line has the most varied starting points of any of the major lines. It can start on Neptune mount, in luna mount, from inside lifeline, joined to lifeline, from ulna mars mount, in the centre of the palm ... etc. Some hands have multiple fate lines. This can be very confusing when you first learn palmistry. My first palmistry teacher taught us to look below the saturn finger and see which lines were going towards it, as a way of finding the fate lines. For example there might be a strong line starting on Neptune mount where these ambitious fate lines start, but going towards Apollo finger. That would be an Apollo line. Hence her "mantra" - "If it doesn't go towards Saturn it aint a fate line" was to help us as beginners to identify the fate lines as opposed to apollo lines, mercury lines and any other 'chance lines'. I have found it useful ever since!
Whilst I agree with you about angle-girl and the ink prints being ambitious fate lines, I would like to discuss further Braga's friend's hand from simian line thread - the line that starts at Mercury line and curves up towards Saturn, with an overlapping line that starts below mid Saturn/Apollo & goes towards Jupiter. That is not so straightforward.
Pamelah, you said about it -
the line Lynn was asking about that goes to the Jupiter finger feels like fate line to me. She has 3 fate lines coming from the moon side of the hand and this feels like one as well (reader's choice!). If it is, it's a 'late blooming ambitious fate line' from my perspective.
I said -
re that line toward Jupiter being fate line - I was going to say that, when I first starrted learning palmistry, I had it drilled into me - "If it doesn't go towards saturn then it aint a fate line" !!! I thought this line went to Jupiter mount, so was gonna disagree with you! But close-up shows it stops under Saturn and the one to Jupiter mount is like some extension of it. So I understand your interpretation. It starts at a strong mercury line, so could be a strong business sense or strong creative / communicative ability, with the Jupiter extension bringing ambition, and the fate line part of it a strong sense of direction.
even though I used the words "the fate line part of it", I still don't see it as a fate line. Whilst there is a good chance this line is relevant to the person's work, taking the Mercury line qualities (communication, business sense etc) towards Jupiter (ambition) via a stop-off and re-think under Saturn (e.g. how conventional do I want to be, what is my sense of direction), I think it brings extra or incidental qualities in addition to the other fate lines on this hand, but is not a fate line in itself. ???
sorry I am running out of steam! Hope you understand my train of thought so far, not sure how well I have communicated it. Interested to hear your further ideas :-)
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Posted: Sat Jul 26th, 2008 01:29 am |
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hansi wrote: Question -- I read somewhere that having a strong fateline from the bottom of the palm to the mount of Saturn - does not necessarily mean that the subject will be very prospective and rich or will have easygoing retirement.
On the negative side - chances are he/she might just stick to one career throughout their lives. Like someone who works in a valet parking field - will always work in that field and will not shift their careers.
On the positive side - they will have great job satisfaction in whatever they do.
Is this possible?
Pamelah wrote
I read the fate line a little bit differently. I see it as a "task completion" line at the broadest level. So for example if it goes from the bottom of the hand in the center to the Saturn finger, that is a person who completes the tasks they begin and usually are finding themselves "workaholic". However, the fate lines that stop at the head line are more short term focused and need to take on shorter term tasks. I don't see it about being the same career. I have long fate lines on both hands, bottom to top and have changed careers a few times but each career I've been in, I do it in 'workaholic' fashion.
I think it is important to look at the quality -width- of the fate line too, also markings, not just length.
But for now, if we're talking about a long, strong, straight, direct "fire quality" fate line ...
in my opinion,,,,,I agree with Pamelah. It is not about how many careers you have, it is more about your attitude to your direction or focus in life. For example a married housewife who never worked a paid job can have a long, strong fate line. She might be living her life by the book (especially if it is the strongest line on her hand), putting everything into her role in life and doing it well. It is not about riches, it is about how you do what you do, and how fulfilled you feel in that role.
The downside of a long strong fate line (especially if it originates near or inside the lifeline) can be feeling like a cartwheel in a rut, a hamster on a wheel - "this is what I do every day / this is my duty... and I can't get out of the rut / off the wheel to do anything different." So here we have to look at the rest of the hand. Earthy types for example might be happy with this long strong line as it gives the sense of inner stability & security & continuity that they need. Fire types might find it too restrictive, but someone like Pamelah who told us her line veers off to Jupiter, will find new ambitions & direction, new ways of expressing this strong fate line so won't allow herself to be bored or restricted by it.
Although it is called the fate line, it is not actually about fate at all! Some people with long strong fate lines can feel fatalistic about their direction. It doesn't have to be like that, we can have some control over our own fate or destiny! The fate line says a lot about our inner sense of who we are, where we are going, how we find our sense of security and direction, how we go about doing things. For example a fire quality line finds their sense of self (who am I and where am I going) through their work, whereas water quality are more likely to find their inner security thru their friends & peers. It frustrates me that many systems of hand analysis limit this line to being about job or career or money. There is so much more to it.
ok, that's what I think ... who's next? :-)
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Posted: Sat Jul 26th, 2008 10:31 am |
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Hi Lynn, I think what you said about the fate lines is very solid!
The only thing which is missing right now in this discussion ... is a link to the discussion where the prints below was introduced by jbragadeesh ... for that print got you and Pamelah into this discussion:
http://internationalcollegeofpalmistry.com/forum/forum126/3550.html
By the way, regarding Pamelah's earlier comment (in that other discussion):
"The line Lynn was asking about that goes to the Jupiter finger feels like fate line to me. She has 3 fate lines coming from the moon side of the hand and this feels like one as well (reader's choice!). If it is, it's a 'late blooming ambitious fate line' from my perspective."
Pamelah, I think this hand has only 2 very clear fate lines (one starting at the big horizontal line on the moon and ending at the center of the middle finger, and a short second fate line starting on the moon just below the big horizontal line).
Regarding the far most 'unusual' line (starting at the mercurius line and ending at jupiter near the index finger ... my first association is that it is related to the girdle of Venus (and possibly to the missing heartline - though the simian line is of course present). I also would like to notice that this line has on large break (near the sun lines) ... so is it really one single line ...???
So, I think we really need the other hand (!) - the left hand of this person - in order to understand the nature of this rather unusual line.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 07:22 am |
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hand_research wrote:So, I think we really need the other hand (!) - the left hand of this person - in order to understand the nature of this rather unusual line.
Hi,
I wont be gettin in touch with her for one week as she is having some exams to write. Will surely post her left hand next week for sure!!
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 02:13 pm |
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 Great, let's hope your friend is willing to show her other hand as well. Thanks Bragga!
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 02:19 am |
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| Pamelah, I have waxed lyrical about fate lines, I wonder if you have any comments & ideas that you would like to share?
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 11:52 pm |
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| hi Pamelah, just bumping this up in case you missed it. I am interested to discuss more with you about the fate line. also anyone else?
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 08:08 pm |
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First of all, let me apologize for not posting my friend's left hand for such a long time..
We were having some problems between us and in the process i almost lost her 
Well, here it is now..
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 09:09 pm |
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Hello jbragadeesh,
Thank you very much for posting the other hand of your friend!
Excellent photos! But unfortunately ...  ... the left hand doesn't provide an obvious clue related to the 'unusual line' - from my point of view.
The ONLY clue I see is that the starting point of the heartline in the left-hand (some call it the end-point of the heartline), is very close to the starting point of the 'unusual line' in the right hand!
And therefore I would say that this can be considered as a confirmation that the 'unusual line' is related to the missing of the heart line (and the presence of the simian line) - but earlier developments in this discussion indicate that not all experts support this point of view.
(  ... actually, I am quite surprized that there is hardly any clue in the left hand related to 'unusual line' in the right hand ....)
Hmmm ... I just found another 'clue':
In the left hand: I see a (weak) 'overlap' in the heartline (in the zone between the ringfinger and the little finger).
In the right hand: the simian line has in that zone a big island ... and the 'unusual line' cuts through that island!!
... from my point of view, this also confirms dat the unusual line should be related to the heart line.
VERY INTERESTING!
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 07:20 am |
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