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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 02:08 pm

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I have another set of lifeprints - though I will see if I can get pictures of that.

This is of 5 yr old boy - he has whorls in Apollo finger AND Saturn finger in both hands. The rest are loops - ulnar.

My question - apart from the lifeprint analysis -- does the whorl on Saturn finger found commonly? and what is its attributes in regards to the whole hand? He is the quiet, shy boy - loves art, music - does not like harsh sounds at all - very introspective, curious boy.

Left hand - thumb to pinky -- Loop - Loop - Whorl - Whorl - Loop

Right hand - thumb to pinky - Loop - Loop - Whorl - Whorl - Loop

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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 04:15 pm

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Whorls on Saturn are not as common as Jupiter and Apollo which is where I see them the most. And I think this may also be because of whom I attract (law of attraction is always in effect) and I have lots of Apollo and Jupiter markings. This combination, whorls just on Saturn and Apollo, is very rare. I hardly see it. So he is destined for something unique.

Right Saturn: understanding and good with business systems, structure in addition to what Richard talks about in his book.

Left Saturn: mentor/teacher

The double Apollo, left Saturn is a common combination (low on the list of common) called "Madame Souzatzka" based on the movie with Shirley McLaine. It's about being the mentor to artists - which usually doesn't happen in full into one's 50s. So the more this boy is exposed to and learns about all arts forms he wants and is also supported in learning about teaching in whatever format works/mentoring in ways he is drawn to, he can realize his Life Purpose. And of course throwing in his abilities with structure and systems, he could be the person who creates some new type of artist business - the concept of Julliard comes to mind as somebody with this type of Life Purpose - the idea or vision of it, not necessarily the construction of it.

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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 11:50 pm

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Christopher Jones study on dermatoglyphic distribution found whorls on 30.8% of ring fingers, on 25.2% of index fingers, 12.6% middle finger and 10.6% of little fingers.

So whorl on Saturn is only seen half as frequently as whorl on Apollo, when looking at fingers individually. (edit - I think this study was done in UK. Dermatoglyphic distribution varies in different populations).

But the interesting thing, as Pamelah says, the combination of whorls on Apollo and Saturn only is much more rare, so there will be something very special and different about this boy. This combination doesn't necessarily fit in with our formal education system, as he will want to do things his own way and may specialise in something, but might not be able to truly flourish till he has freedom to do his own thing in his own way.

I haven't studied Richard's system yet, so can't say anything about life purpose etc.

Speaking generally & individually about these prints -

Whorl on Saturn is often found in people who have something unusual about their lifestyle, home, job or hobby. They can be unconventional, non-conformist, push the boundaries. Individuality is very important to them, they are not just another sheep in the flock! May have strong beliefs and opinions about how society should be, how people should live, self determined sense of law & order, values & beliefs, philosophical & moral values, can flout customs, traditions. They usually don't like to be tied down, seek freedom.

On Apollo it can bring original self expression, for example - unusual dress sense, interior design, individual aesthetic sense, unusual tastes e.g. sense of design, colour etc. may work in design, fashion, music, any of the arts. Again they like to be individual, independent in a group, & may have unusual hobbies.

Of course those comments are general and have to be looked at in conjunciton with the other fingerprints, & development of the fingers. I think with whorl on Saturn it is also important to consider the fate line to see how it manifests in their life. e.g. hippy drop-out vs political campaigner, (or if you include Apollo talents too - street busker vs concert pianist, amazing graffitti artist vs innovative award winning architect) etc etc.

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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 06:56 pm

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Here is the picture of the boy's Saturn finger - both right Saturn and left Saturn finger have same type of whorls. It kind of looks like a double loop or composite whorls, isnt that right?

I also found a loop of humour AND loop of vanity in his right hand

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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 05:41 pm

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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 06:58 pm

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I'd put them in the whorl category - a composite needs to loops like the attached - this doesn't have them but the whorl here doesn't have concentric circles like some whorls do. Can you see how there are two distinct loops?

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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 05:47 pm

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That was my first impression, but my second thoughts found them to be composites (which is wrong) --- now I know to trust the first intuitive thought.. :thoughtful

Thanks for the input Pamelah. :thumbsup

THanks for making the picture clear, Upendrasinghji

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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 05:57 pm

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Lynn wrote:

Of course those comments are general and have to be looked at in conjunciton with the other fingerprints, & development of the fingers. I think with whorl on Saturn it is also important to consider the fate line to see how it manifests in their life. e.g. hippy drop-out vs political campaigner, (or if you include Apollo talents too - street busker vs concert pianist, amazing graffitti artist vs innovative award winning architect) etc etc.

I am posting left hand and right hand pics of the boy's hands.

Left Hand - he is left handed (writes with left hand) and 5 yrs old.

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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 05:59 pm

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Right hand...

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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 04:24 am

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He has markings I'm beginning to see on children coming in over the last 12 years - the long, straight head line. Some other practioners who work with aura colors talk about the crystal children who are coming in within the past 8-10 years. This really long head line seems to be part of this generation.

It actually qualifies as a Hal 9000 Gift Marking - the capacity to solve very complex and complicated problems. It's as if these children are being marked for special big problems that will need to be solved.

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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 07:42 pm

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wow what is the loop of vanity?

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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 08:52 pm

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Loop of vanity is found between mercury and apollo fingers - although its not a loop of humour.

Loop of humour protrudes towards mercury finger while Loop of vanity protrudes towards apollo finger

I have read that loop of vanity is opposite of the 'loop of humour' meaning the person having this loop does not like to be ridiculed or laughed at - although they could make fun of others (loop of humour)

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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 03:14 pm

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Hansi said:

Loop of vanity is found between mercury and apollo fingers - although its not a loop of humour....

:thoughtful

I thought that loop that is found between Mercury and Apollo Fingers is called Loop of Seriousness or Loop of Responsibility.

However Loop of Vanity is a skin rigits that entirely encompasses the Apollo Mountain

I found a link in google see below

http://books.google.com/books?id=a0H2OcJbQ9EC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=loop+of+vanity+in+palmistry&source=web&ots=GXRkNHq_aC&sig=go9_7u-nT--tmKJ9ldDm9jGvv3Q&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 03:17 pm

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Hi Hansi,

I think I saw a Loop of Humor (between Mercury and Appolo fingers) on the Right Hand of the little boy, I have take a better look with Photoshop, it is very hard to see skin rigits on bit picture.

Let me know if I am mistaken.

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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 03:24 pm

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Helen B wrote:
:thoughtful

I thought that loop that is found between Mercury and Apollo Fingers is called Loop of Seriousness or Loop of Responsibility.

Loop of seriousness is between Apollo and Saturn finger.

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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 03:33 pm

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Helen B wrote: I think I saw a Loop of Humor (between Mercury and Appolo fingers) on the Right Hand of the little boy, I have take a better look with Photoshop, it is very hard to see skin rigits on bit picture.

I am posting a zoom picture with my interpretation. Please comment if you see the same.

Left hand does not have loop of humour but I think it has loop of vanity as it encompasses Apollo finger.

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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 03:34 pm

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This is the right Zoom picture - which i feel has Loop of humour and Loop of vanity but I may be wrong about the loop of vanity as it touches the apollo mount.

Experts please comment.

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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 03:42 pm

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Hi Hensi,

Sorry, my perseptions are playing a trick with me, you are right. :thumbsup

Ha, just loosing my mind that is all :titter

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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 03:45 pm

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Helen B wrote: However Loop of Vanity is a skin rigits that entirely encompasses the Apollo Mountain

I found a link in google see below

http://books.google.com/books?id=a0H2OcJbQ9EC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=loop+of+vanity+in+palmistry&source=web&ots=GXRkNHq_aC&sig=go9_7u-nT--tmKJ9ldDm9jGvv3Q&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

Helen, this link says it will encompass the whole of Apollo finger. If thats the case, Then where will the mount of Apollo (triradii) be placed? And besides the figure looks more like a ring of Apollo - where will the loop close and where should it open?

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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 05:02 pm

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Hensi wrote:

Helen, this link says it will encompass the whole of Apollo finger. If thats the case, Then where will the mount of Apollo (triradii) be placed? And besides the figure looks more like a ring of Apollo - where will the loop close and where should it open?

This is exactly what puzzles me, from all sourses that I could find on internet, the Loop of Vanity did not look like a loop, but appeared to be like a ring of skin rigits covering the mountain of Apollo. It looks like it should have triradii some were between the fingers, or may be it is missing a triradii, and that is why it is so different. It looks like it is looping whole finger. I am not sure, I think Martijn or Lynn, would be able to bring a light on this subject.

Any comments any one?

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Posted: Sat Aug 9th, 2008 05:43 pm

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i think i have a loop of vanity on my passive hand, it's right under my ring finger i think it have a triradii on the loop...but i'm not really sure...lol...i'm confused...i also have a loop of humor on both of my hands....

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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 09:01 pm

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Hi,
I am attaching a picture of the skin rigits on Apollo mountain. Should it be considered as a Vanity Loop?
Anyone please help to understand.

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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 09:12 pm

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Hi Helen,

No, this one if often described as a 'loop of humor' ... you can read more about these at Ed Campbell's website:

http://www.edcampbell.com/PalmD-History.htm (almost halfway this page)

By the way, the c-triradius is missing (the d-triradius and d'-triradius are present - at both side of the loop)

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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 09:15 pm

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hansi wrote: This is the right Zoom picture - which i feel has Loop of humour and Loop of vanity but I may be wrong about the loop of vanity as it touches the apollo mount.

Experts please comment.

RIGHT HAND

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Hansi, well described! Yes I can confirm your observations.

You can find more confirmation at Ed Campbell's website (about half way on this very long page):