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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 11:04 pm |
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Martijn wrote:
By the way Helen, would you please mind to inform me ... how do you upload pictures from your computer to this forum??? (do you use the 'insert image' button?)
In the Post Reply I use Attachment: Choose File button.
By the way I am using Apple (Mac) so it could be different, I will check at Work (I am using PC there) if there is different option to upload images.
Martijn wrote:
Helen, I just re-started my computer ... and now I can not see those picture either!!!
yes, I can see it now. I just got confused with your previous post:
Hi Helen,
No, this one if often described as a 'loop of humor' ... you can read more about these at Ed Campbell's website:
I thought you was referring to the image that I posted, and that is were I got confused, I could not find any loop between fingers.
sorry my misunderstanding. 
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 11:14 pm |
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Helen B wrote: Martijn wrote:
By the way Helen, would you please mind to inform me ... how do you upload pictures from your computer to this forum??? (do you use the 'insert image' button?)
In the Post Reply I use Attachment: Choose File button.
By the way I am using Apple (Mac) so it could be different, I will check at Work (I am using PC there) if there is different option to upload images.
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Helen, I just re-started my computer ... and now I can not see those picture either!!!
yes, I can see it now. I just got confused with your previous post:
Hi Helen,
No, this one if often described as a 'loop of humor' ... you can read more about these at Ed Campbell's website:
I thought you was referring to the image that I posted, and that is were I got confused, I could not find any loop between fingers.
sorry my misunderstanding.
 Ok, I found the button ... outside my screen !!
By the way, ok ... I will also describe you the loop your photo ....
(I only need a few more minutes)
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 11:23 pm |
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Helen B wrote: Hi,
I am attaching a picture of the skin rigits on Apollo mountain. Should it be considered as a Vanity Loop?
Anyone please help to understand. 
Ok Helen, I hope you like it ...
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 11:35 pm |
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Hi Martijn,
I do not just like it, I love it. Now I understand what you are talking about. I can see mini-mini Loop of Humor.
Wow, who could think that it will be hiding there. Thanks a million.
I need to learn how to keep my eyes open
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 11:53 pm |
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Helen B wrote: Hi Martijn,
I do not just like it, I love it. Now I understand what you are talking about. I can see mini-mini Loop of Humor.
Wow, who could think that it will be hiding there. Thanks a million.
I need to learn how to keep my eyes open
You just focus your attention on finding ALL triradii ... and then you will definitely find the loops, whorls .. and possibly more 'exotic' patterns!
Bye-bye for today!
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 12:15 am |
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| hi, i got a question, does the loop of humor and loop of vanity have to be attached to each other?
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 12:42 am |
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angle_girl wrote:
hi, i got a question, does the loop of humor and loop of vanity have to be attached to each other?
As per my understanding, no it does not have to be attached to each other. It is varies from case to case.
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 01:53 am |
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Please forgive me if I can't make sense of this thread tonight, there seems to be more than one discussion. I can't see the pics Martijn uploaded (just box with red X)
Helen B wrote:
Hi,
I am attaching a picture of the skin rigits on Apollo mountain. Should it be considered as a Vanity Loop?
Anyone please help to understand.
unlike Martijn, I can't see loop of humour in your picture of Fri Aug 15th, 2008 09:01 pm helen, - even with Martijn's line drawing of it, I can't see this loop in original pic of skin ridges. ??
I don't see a vanity loop either. just absent apollo triradius - the skin ridges go uninterrupted around apollo mount, and some strange redirection of skin ridges under mercury/apollo junction but I don't see any loops. can someone clearly show me the loops please? :-(
hansi I see clearly the loop of humour and vanity defined and combined in one hand, This is surely quite rare!
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:23 am |
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Lynn wrote:
..I don't see a vanity loop either. just absent apollo triradius - the skin ridges go uninterrupted around apollo mount, and some strange redirection of skin ridges under mercury/apollo junction but I don't see any loops. can someone clearly show me the loops please? :-(
Hi Lynn,
I am attaching zoomed picture of the area with mini-mini loop, I think this is what Martijn meant.
I do have a question though, does missing apollo triradius affects the qualities of the mountain in the palm- reading?
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:24 am |
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Lynn wrote: Please forgive me if I can't make sense of this thread tonight, there seems to be more than one discussion. I can't see the pics Martijn uploaded (just box with red X)
Helen B wrote:
Hi,
I am attaching a picture of the skin rigits on Apollo mountain. Should it be considered as a Vanity Loop?
Anyone please help to understand.
unlike Martijn, I can't see loop of humour in your picture of Fri Aug 15th, 2008 09:01 pm helen, - even with Martijn's line drawing of it, I can't see this loop in original pic of skin ridges. ??
I don't see a vanity loop either. just absent apollo triradius - the skin ridges go uninterrupted around apollo mount, and some strange redirection of skin ridges under mercury/apollo junction but I don't see any loops. can someone clearly show me the loops please? :-(
hansi I see clearly the loop of humour and vanity defined and combined in one hand, This is surely quite rare!
Hi Lynn,
I think I understand the problem here ... but first of all, please use a zoom function on both the original photo and the one with my ridge drawings; you will see that my drawings follow the ridges very well: no doubt that there is a loop!
By the way, a ZOOM of the original photo will show you that this hand has some 'perfect' triradii - triradius b and d' have a small triangle in the centre of the triradius!
However, regarding the loop - not a 'vanity loop', it's a small 'loop of humour' - your problem here might be that actually there are some more 'imperfect' triradii around that loop!
You can find one of them between 'triradius d' and the core of the loop - which actually implicates that the loop is a bit smaller than what appears from my drawing!
Lynn, could this explain your problem?
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:30 am |
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Helen B wrote: Lynn wrote:
..I don't see a vanity loop either. just absent apollo triradius - the skin ridges go uninterrupted around apollo mount, and some strange redirection of skin ridges under mercury/apollo junction but I don't see any loops. can someone clearly show me the loops please? :-(
Hi Lynn,
I am attaching zoomed picture of the area with mini-mini loop, I think this is what Martijn meant.
I do have a question though, does missing apollo triradius affects the qualities of the mountain in the pal- reading?
Very nice zoom Hellen! Yes, in the post which I just posted, I am also saying that it might actually be a smaller loop than what is suggested by my drawing.
(but hey  ... you always have to use a strategy while drawing, others the drawing becomes easily a blurr of ridges)
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 04:09 am |
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Lynn wrote:
Please forgive me if I can't make sense of this thread tonight, there seems to be more than one discussion....I don't see a vanity loop either. ...
Originally I got confused with the picture description of the Vanity Loop that I found on-line. I am attaching it below. so to clear my doubts, I posted a palm picture with the skin rigits that looked similar to the one that was describing the Vanity Loop (as below attached).
I am clear now, however it is very disappointing that some sources on-line are very misleading.Attached Image (viewed 43 times):
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 11:56 am |
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Helen B wrote: Lynn wrote:
Please forgive me if I can't make sense of this thread tonight, there seems to be more than one discussion....I don't see a vanity loop either. ...
Originally I got confused with the picture description of the Vanity Loop that I found on-line. I am attaching it below. so to clear my doubts, I posted a palm picture with the skin rigits that looked similar to the one that was describing the Vanity Loop (as below attached).
I am clear now, however it is very disappointing that some sources on-line are very misleading. 
Hi Helen, where did you find that picture? (very likely that the website has no 'authority' at all in the field of palmistry, nor the field of dermatoglyphics).
Hmm.. I think there are indeed not many sources on the internet which present comprehensive and usefull information on this topic. Like I noticed before: Ed Campbell's website will provide you probably lot's of solid and usefull answers.
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 04:28 pm |
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Martijn wrote:
Hi Helen, where did you find that picture? (very likely that the website has no 'authority' at all in the field of palmistry, nor the field of dermatoglyphics).
I found a link in google see below:
http://books.google.com/books?id=a0H2OcJbQ9EC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=loop+of+vanity+in+palmistry&source=web&ots=GXRkNHq_aC&sig=go9_7u-nT--tmKJ9ldDm9jGvv3Q&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 05:16 pm |
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Thanks Helen!
The author, Nathaniel Altman - who is a friend of one of my contacts is Canada - is a quite well-known Palmistry author - but that particular illustration should not have been published! 
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 11:22 pm |
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Thank you Martijn & Helen for pointing out the (very small) loop to me. 
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