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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 11:37 pm |
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Hi Den,
I am opening a forum for you to post your finger prints for your Life Purpose and Life Lesson. Can not wait to see them 
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:53 am |
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Here are the prints for my right hand.
I see them as...
whorl
loop-tented arch
loop (ulnar)
whorl
loop (ulnar)
with the loops being all ulnar
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:54 am |
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Here is the left hand
I see them as...
composite whorl
loop (radial)
loop (ulnar)
peacock eye
loop (ulnar)
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:57 am |
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Hi Den,
I can see the Right hand prints, but where are the Left hand prints?
Sorry just got themLast edited on Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:57 am by Helen B
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 03:05 am |
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Told you they were a weird combination of stuff. If the pictures are too unclear, I can post them individually, or even reshoot them.
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 03:38 am |
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Hi Den,
Your left Ring finger print is not clear (looks like loop, but close to peacock) and Left Pinky is not clear (looks like 2 loops one after another?).
I tryed to import them into Photoshop, but still hard to see. Soo far here what I saw
Finger Prints from Thumb to Pinky
Right Hand:
Whorl (composite), Loop / Tented Arch, Loop, Whorl (Composite, can not see clearly), Loop
Left Hand:
Loop (can not see clearly), Loop (could be double, can not see clearly), Loop, Loop (but closer to peacock), ??? (I do not know, looks like loop?)
Hi Lynn, Martijn, I guess your opinion would be very helpful in this case, what do you think?
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 12:13 pm |
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Helen B wrote: Hi Den,
Your left Ring finger print is not clear (looks like loop, but close to peacock) and Left Pinky is not clear (looks like 2 loops one after another?).
I tryed to import them into Photoshop, but still hard to see. Soo far here what I saw
Finger Prints from Thumb to Pinky
Right Hand:
Whorl (composite), Loop / Tented Arch, Loop, Whorl (Composite, can not see clearly), Loop
Left Hand:
Loop (can not see clearly), Loop (could be double, can not see clearly), Loop, Loop (but closer to peacock), ??? (I do not know, looks like loop?)
Hi Lynn, Martijn, I guess your opinion would be very helpful in this case, what do you think?
Hi Den,
After using the ZOOM function on my internet explorer, I have no trouble at all to classify your individual fingerprints:
Your right hand (thumb to little finger): Double Loop, Radial Loop, Loop, Double Loop, Loop
Your left hand (thumb to little finger): Loop, Radial Loop, Loop, Whorl, Loop
 ... a bit different from your observations, but still: a remarkable combination!
Den, if want more feedback on any specific fingerprint, please post a larger version and I will try to identify the triradii, etc.
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:36 pm |
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These pictures are poor quality after looking at them myself. I may try a reshoot on them with sufficient light or just ink print them like a normal person.
 I have screwed up the labels on them too, sorry guys. I will post them individually instead of trying to label albums when too sleepy to use my brain effectively. Hold on for now.
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 04:02 pm |
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Hi Den ...
The name of fingers make sense, sounds more like ... your photos are not exactly in the position where they should be??? Shall I delete my classifications??
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 11:46 pm |
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 Okay the previous pictures were correct in their labels, I thought it was wrong when I read Martijn's observations, but double checked and they are correctly labeled.
My observation:
Right(thumb to pinky): whorl, loop-tented arch, loop, whorl??, loop
Left (thumb to pinky): composite, radial loop, loop, peacock??, loop
Martijn's
Your right hand (thumb to little finger): Double Loop, Radial Loop, Loop, Double Loop, Loop
Your left hand (thumb to little finger): Loop, Radial Loop, Loop, Whorl, Loop
Helen's
Right Hand:
Whorl (composite), Loop / Tented Arch, Loop, Whorl (Composite, can not see clearly), Loop
Left Hand:
Loop (can not see clearly), Loop (could be double, can not see clearly), Loop, Loop (but closer to peacock), ??? (I do not know, looks like loop?)
Here is a different approach...here are my left and right thumbs, respectively....do you see the patterns better?
I see these as a composite for left and whorl (spiral) for right...you guys agree?disagree? We can take each set of digits if these prints are going to work.
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 12:12 am |
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Den, regarding your right index fingerprint, there is not much room for a discussion:
Several ridges start on the right side, and after folowing the shape of a loop they end at the right side: this is the basic characteristic of a loop (combined with the presence of a triradius.
(and because in your right hand these ridges start and end at the right side - plus the triradius is on the left side of the loop - this makes your fingerprint a 'radial loop')
In general:
When a 'loop' is present, you can forget about the possibility of a 'tented arch'.
For illustration:
the picture below presents a 'tented arch' - for there is a traridius, but there is no single ridge at which enters at one side and ends at the same side, so in the example below there is no 'looping' ridge at all!
http://www.policensw.com/info/fingerprints/finger07.html
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 12:16 am |
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Hi again Den, after seeing your new thumb prints ... I would like to correct my classification of your left thumb print: definitely a 'double loop'!!
 Excellent photos!!!
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 12:23 am |
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Thanks Martijn, cool having a scientist on board.
Richard Unger makes a distinction with a "loop-tented arch", and I am not sure if that term is even exists in the professional/scientific dermatoglyphic world. If the tent is off-center, he makes that distinction because it has the look of a loop and an off-center arch tent.
I am absolutely certain you are correct with the scientific interpretation, but I am confused since he mentions this formation in his book (pg22 if you got a copy of it).
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 01:40 am |
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I found it Richard's digital book at:
http://books.google.com/books?id=GuED4Mcfpl0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=life+prints+Richard+Unger&sig=ACfU3U0iecIxL5IRLKPKHVokh4VOLvCkyw#PPA22,M1
Richard's drawing-picture example shows that his 'loop/tented arch' does not have a looping ridge at all! Your fingerprint has a 'loop', so your fingerprint should not be classified as Richard's 'loop/tented arch' either.
(Den, I am not sure about the fingerprint-example for the online version is not sharp - but that fingerprint illustration should not have a loop either! I think Richard's 'loop/tented arch' is related to for example: a loop with only 1 single ridge - which should not be classified as a 'loop'!)
Comprendre?
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 04:03 am |
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Den wrote:
Richard Unger makes a distinction with a "loop-tented arch", and I am not sure if that term is even exists in the professional/scientific dermatoglyphic world. If the tent is off-center, he makes that distinction because it has the look of a loop and an off-center arch tent.
I also got confused with the Loop - tented arch. I am attaching pictures from Richard's book to clarify the confusion.
For me Den's print looked like an example in Richard's bookAttached Image (viewed 204 times):
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 07:04 am |
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Wow, it is a close call, just like the Team USA swim team gold medal win tonight...woohoo go USA. Sorry, been watching the Olympics. Would like to congratulate all countries with medals while we are on the subject. Felt bad for the AUSSIES in the 1500 meters tonight. Wow, who new Tunisians could swim so well.
I think we should put it on "hold" for now and see if it even matters in the read itself. Both IDs may fit somewhere in the middle in ranking and may not amount to a "hill of beans" anyway.
I am going to put up the prints anyway, here is the left index and right index respectively... definetly agree with the thumbs so far guys and the left digit is definetly a radial loop, as Martijn and specified. Think Helen had a loop in there too. If it was not Lifeprints, there would be no question that this is a radial loop as Martijn identified.
Gee..who do we know on the forum that has been doing this for 20 years that might know the answer? So grateful for both of you.
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 07:40 am |
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Here is the middle fingers, left and right respectively.
(don't take offense that I am giving you the middle finger)
Look like a couple of ulnar loops to me.
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 07:49 am |
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Here are the left and right ring fingers respectively. This is another tricky one and I took a couple of other pictures today of the left ring finger if we need them. It looks like it has the triradius, but not sure.
If there is one, then it is a peacock for left and a standard whorl on the right in my perspective.
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 07:58 am |
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And finally, the pinkys...look like a couple of ulnar loops to me.
 Shew...all done. I am definetly the highest poster today after all that. Nice to have you guys helping me with the interpretation of the pattterns, you have been very helpful.
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 11:42 am |
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Den wrote: Wow, it is a close call, just like the Team USA swim team gold medal win tonight...woohoo go USA. Sorry, been watching the Olympics. Would like to congratulate all countries with medals while we are on the subject. Felt bad for the AUSSIES in the 1500 meters tonight. Wow, who new Tunisians could swim so well.
I think we should put it on "hold" for now and see if it even matters in the read itself. Both IDs may fit somewhere in the middle in ranking and may not amount to a "hill of beans" anyway.
I am going to put up the prints anyway, here is the left index and right index respectively... definetly agree with the thumbs so far guys and the left digit is definetly a radial loop, as Martijn and specified. Think Helen had a loop in there too. If it was not Lifeprints, there would be no question that this is a radial loop as Martijn identified.
Gee..who do we know on the forum that has been doing this for 20 years that might know the answer? So grateful for both of you.
Den
Den, thanks for posting the new photos!
Now can I describe exactly why your right index fingerprint should not be classified as Richard's 'loop-tented arch':
In your fingerprint you only have to follow the ridge from the triradius, and you will see that that specific ridge line is part of the loop: for it CONTINUES to the right side and ends at the side of the finger!!!
Now look at Richard's drawing example ( thanks Helen!), the ridge from the triradius does not make a loop - it ends above the triradius.
So, I think the one and only correct classification for your right index fingerprint is: 'radial loop'.
(I am not sure about Richard's fingerprint example in his book, is it usefull at all? - for it appears to be quite unclear!)
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