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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 08:02 pm |
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 First of all Helen, I am very grateful for your time and analysis, this stuff is not easy to do, and respect your thoughtfulness and vision.
The "Doer" and the "Innovator" combination is my Life Purpose, I am certain of it. Thank you for the confirmation.
I am reading this at my lunch break, so I cannot comment too deeply on the analysis, but it sounded terrific. I will have to revisit my prints later tonight when I get home...
 Worthy of Love...please don't make me cry here at "Wendys" hamburgers in front of strangers today Helen. I will look later and meditate on this driving home tonight. Wow, its a lot to digest and process.
Thank you Helen
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 05:59 am |
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The Life Lesson was an accurate depiction of a major weakness of mine...uncanny how this sytem works.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 02:25 pm |
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Hi Den,
I can agree with you that system works pretty well.
I do have a question though, how does the description of the Right Ring Finger "The Master of Creativity / The Artist" relates or conects with you.
It is just for learning purposes, I am just trying to figure out system here.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 05:54 pm |
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I think it has to do with uniqueness in their approach for me personally, I have always believed that "the way" someone does something is just as important as accomplishing the task. In work and play, I am looking for artistic/creative expression, and innovation is a perfect word for me. At work I am a service engineer on high priced chemical analysers, and find myself being a showman many times, that is one expression of it. I think "the show" is half the price of admission in other words. Hope that helps, and great job.
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 03:16 am |
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Den wrote:
At work I am a service engineer on high priced chemical analysers, and find myself being a showman many times, that is one expression of it. I think "the show" is half the price of admission in other words. Hope that helps, and great job.
Hi Den,
Yes it does helps and kind of makes sense too. It is fascinating to see and understand the connection between the Life Purpose and Life Lesson.
Well, see and understand is one thing, but put understanding in practice???? that is were challenge comes up at least at my end.
Thank you againLast edited on Thu Aug 21st, 2008 03:16 am by Helen B
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 03:42 am |
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Hi Den,
We did not discussed your Radial Loops? Any comments from you?
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 04:38 am |
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| I see the composite and whorl as you think it is Den. A "double loop" that looks like an "S" is a composite in my interpretation.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 04:43 am |
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| I would classify your Jupiter finger as tented arch/loop too based on what I see in people's fingerprints - and for you that would make it the Life Lesson finger - the only lowest ranked fingerprint
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 04:45 am |
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| I see both of your Apollo fingers are whorls, not double loops so I'd make them your Life Purpose
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 04:48 am |
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| double triradii is a whorl quality and I see this as a whorl, not double loop
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 04:49 am |
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| that is right according to me - the double loop and composite are the same thing - a composite is two loops forming a "S"
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 04:53 am |
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| I see your Life Purpose as right thumb + right Apollo + left Apollo = that would make it the successful artist or creative manifester as a short cut phrase. But since both Apollos are marked, I'm putting emphasis on the innovative creative person who manifests and gets tangible results in the world.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 11:32 am |
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Pamelah Landers wrote: I would classify your Jupiter finger as tented arch/loop too based on what I see in people's fingerprints - and for you that would make it the Life Lesson finger - the only lowest ranked fingerprint
Thank you for the insight on this...I am fairly new with fingerprints in general and the loop-tented arch has significance in the Life Purpose system, but not mentioned in other hand books in very much detail; had trouble cross-referencing.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 11:45 am |
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Pamelah Landers wrote: I would classify your Jupiter finger as tented arch/loop too based on what I see in people's fingerprints - and for you that would make it the Life Lesson finger - the only lowest ranked fingerprint
Thank you for the insight on this. I am still fairly new at classifying prints and the loop-tented arch has significance in Lifeprints, but not mentioned so much in other hand reading books that I have searched through. I am assuming that the arch is dragging down the ranking of the loop print when mixed together in that pattern.
I am embracing my Life Purpose and Lessons as I see it manifest throughout this post. The Apollo Life Purpose is really sinking in more and more this week, its funny how a reading from someone else can bring self-understanding that was impossible for you to find on your own, despite how much you study the subject. Thank you ladies for that gift.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 11:50 am |
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Pamelah Landers wrote: I would classify your Jupiter finger as tented arch/loop too based on what I see in people's fingerprints - and for you that would make it the Life Lesson finger - the only lowest ranked fingerprint
Hi Pamelah,
You've just confirmed Den's first observation. But I am wondering about your argument: why did you classify Den's Jupiter finger as a tented arch/loop? Could please explain the basic characteristics of the 'tented arch/loop' - for Richard doesn't explain this in his book?
By the way, I asking for more feedback because I have no doubts that Den's fingerprint DOES NOT meet the characteristics of the picture-example in Richard's book (for in Den's fingerprint: the ridge line starting in the triradius ends at the right side of the fingeprint - and therefore I think it does not meet the basic characteristic of a tented arch).
The picture-example from Richard's book:
Pamelah and Den, I have accentuated the ridges starting in Den's right index finger triradius (I still have the arguments to classify it is a 'loop' - I see no basic characteristics of a 'tented arch' (nor an 'arch') at all!!!):
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 12:29 pm |
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... hmm.
I am getting worried a bit about Richard's ability to present correct examples:
For, I think the 'arch' example on his website .... is actually a 'tented arch' (because there is a triradius!!!):
http://www.handanalysis.net/beginners/fingerprint_types.htm
The picture below is a copy of the picture above: I have accentuated the 'triradius'
(and one might argue here for the presence of another triradius - just below on the left of the one I accentuated)
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 12:45 pm |
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This source described some other types of 'tented arches' - including some very clear examples:
http://www.forensicitc.com/tented_arch.htm
- First example (the picture above): Upthrust type Tented Arch
-Second example: 'Loop type tented arch'!!!
I guess this is the variant related to Richard's idea of the 'tented arch/loop' ... however this second example looks very similar to Richard's example of the 'arch' on his website ...  ... I am beginning to understand Hellen's confusion (and maybe Ron's comments) on Richard's material.
- Third example: Angled type Tented Arch
(sorry ... I deleted the 2th and 3th example because the fingerprint-picture manifest here as really large pictures) Last edited on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 12:59 pm by hand_research
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 01:02 pm |
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Just a reminder:
1) (quote) 'arches have no delta's' (triradii)
Source: http://www.forensicitc.com/diagrams.htm
2) (quote) ... the three Essentials of a Loop:
1) A sufficient recurve,
2) A Delta, and
3) A ridge count across a looping ridge.
Source: http://www.forensicitc.com/loops.htm
3) Tented arches have only 2 of the characteristics described for the loop!!!
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| here is a normal loop - notice there isn't a line to the right of it that stands out as looking like a straight line - another example coming Attached Image (viewed 41 times):
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 05:33 pm |
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here is tented arch with a loop - see the straight line next to the loop - it's by looking at fingerprints over 17000 times that I can identify these - they just look like a tented arch with a loop and don't look like regular loops.
When I'm doing a reading I can't spend a lot of time, when I'm being paid, to figure out the details of fingeprint - I need to see what I can see as fast as possible so I've trained myself to notice pretty juch this method: if it's not a loop, is it a whorl (higher ranked) or arch or tented arch (lower ranked) because almost everybody has loops in some number. When I see the loop with this tented arch like straight line, it's no accident that it isn't formed like a regular loop. It means something and to me it means lower ranked so Life Lesson. And that's the amount of attention I give it.
I remember when I was learning to read hands in 1991 that I was really concerned about all these details and getting them 'just right' (my apollo perfection stuff) until I did some readings and realized the only thing that mattered was that I learned HOW to talk about what I knew in a language that could be understand by the other person, something they could take with them. The technicalities don't matter to them and since my work is about communicating what I know to others, my wisdom, and that is why they pay me, then I need to get really good at interpreting what I see into an easy to understand language.
And what I see on Den's hands are a loop with a tented arch because it's not a regular loop. And by the way, I would also have the conversation about having 7 loops in addition to the left jupiter life lesson and apollo life purpose on both hands as well as the thumb (because it's higher ranked than a loop).
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 05:43 pm |
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By the way, I'm doing a FREE conference call on Tuesday, 5:00 pacific on Your Life Purpose and the Law of Attraction. If you want to join the call, dial 1-616-597-8000
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this will answer some of the questions, not technically, but in the big picture, about life purpose and life lesson and the relationship between them
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