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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 08:05 pm |
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hand_research wrote: Regarding talking with Richard, would you mind to take a look at the 'arch' fingerprint example on his website? How do value that fingerprint?
http://www.handanalysis.net/beginners/fingerprint_types.htm
(in my earlier post I have explained my arguments for classifying that fingerprint as a 'tented arch').
Pamelah, thanks for your valuable input in this discussion!!!
I looked at the example and I completely see a difference between the arch and tented arch. The arch doesn't have a "tent pole' like the tented arch does. That's what I'm looking for to determine. The arch his a raise in it but the line doesn't extend very far up - just a bump. Richard's example come from the medical books so I'm pretty sure that's how they are defined there.
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Pamelah Landers wrote: His other loops (just went back and looked) don't have that line in the middl eof his fingerprint like his Jupiter one does. That's my argument. I see a straight line in the middle right next to his loop. The way you've drawn the red lines now it easily highlights to my eye a tented arch right smack dab in the middle of his finger. The other loops have the radii way over on the edge. A tented arch has a straight line right up the middle like this one does. So it combines the two - loop and tented arch to my eye.
One last comment ... if that specific line would have stopped somewhere ABOVE or outside the loop, than I would understand your argument. But that line actually contacts the line which comes from the triradius .... and therefore I would not described it as an aspect of a 'tented arch'.
(and after saying this ... I think we can agree that this aspect of Den's fingerprint is a BIG difference with Richard's drawn-example of a 'tented arch/loop' in his book)
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 08:13 pm |
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hand_research wrote:
Ok Pamelah, I understand now your approach.
You've used your intuition.
 ... one last question for you:
You keep talking about 'the straight line' ... have you noticed the position of Den's finger? On the photo he is not holding his finger very 'straight'!? And because of the pose of his finger ... the lines in his fingerprint might appear to be more straight than they really are .... I have corrected this aspect in the picture below. Now I think it looks a bit more normal.
Would that make any difference in your perspective? (I guess not)
Pamelah, thanks for your valuable input in this discussion!!!
I still see that line as in the middle of his finger section and that it's straight. If you look at the other fingerprints Den posted of his loops, you don't see any other one that has that straight line next to the loop in the middle of his finger. Right? So that's what tangibly identifies it to me. And the way you've drawn the red lines it really looks like a tented arch. Additionally, like a tented arch, the lines loop over in both directions - like a bell shaped curve. That's a tented arch formation. I don't see that on loops in the same way normally.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 08:16 pm |
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| It's different than the drawing but very much like the fingeprint example in Richard's book
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| The other thing that identifies it as tented arch energy is that the lines create a bell shape curve. Regular loops don't do that in the middle of the finger section.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 08:21 pm |
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Pamelah Landers wrote: hand_research wrote: Regarding talking with Richard, would you mind to take a look at the 'arch' fingerprint example on his website? How do value that fingerprint?
http://www.handanalysis.net/beginners/fingerprint_types.htm
(in my earlier post I have explained my arguments for classifying that fingerprint as a 'tented arch').
Pamelah, thanks for your valuable input in this discussion!!!
I looked at the example and I completely see a difference between the arch and tented arch. The arch doesn't have a "tent pole' like the tented arch does. That's what I'm looking for to determine. The arch his a raise in it but the line doesn't extend very far up - just a bump. Richard's example come from the medical books so I'm pretty sure that's how they are defined there.
I think it is unlikely that the Richard's 'arch' example is copied from a medical book (by the way - as a fingerprint expert, I would expect him to use his own material!).
For in one of my earlier posts I have presented a (forensic) source which describes 3 types of 'tented arches':
http://www.forensicitc.com/tented_arch.htm
... the 2th type resembles Richard's description of the 'tented arch/loop' very much, but the illustrated example looks very much like the 'arch' on Richard's website (including a triradius with a upper line which creates a 'loop').
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 08:31 pm |
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| I checked out the info on the tented arch and I can see that there is a difference in how I interpret and what was written there - I don't see a tented arch as having an "upthrust" - I see it as having a pole line. Sometimes arches curve up higher instead of being quite flat. I consider both examples included here as arches. Attached Image (viewed 82 times):
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 08:53 pm |
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... Pamelah, do you really classify this example as an 'arch'??? (I would say ... because of the presence of a triradius, it should be classified as an (correction) 'TENTED arch' ... thanks Lynn ).
By the way,
I would say your new example can be classified into the first type of tented-arch: 'Upthrust type Tented Arch'.
http://www.forensicitc.com/tented_arch.htm
 Pamelah, we appear to disagree on so many fingeprints...
 (I think this discussion might become a shocking experience for newbies)
(Pamelah, my explanation for our disagreements is: I am very much focussed on the presence of the triradii ... and reading back through your feedback in this discussion, I think in your 'intuitive' approach you do not show much interest to take notice of the presence of the triradii - I merely say this because you hardly refer or mention the triradii at all)
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 01:36 am |
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Martijn said (I would say ... because of the presence of a triradius, it should be classified as an 'arch').
I think you made a mistake there my friend - as you know, (simple) arches do not have triradius!
This is a difficult one. It looks like an arch. But I also see a triradius. However there are no other patterns such as loop or tent arch next to or above the triradius. Altho maybe a single ridge loop has been partly obliterated by the dark line caused by the ink? How would you classify it Martijn?
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 04:26 am |
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Edit: I didn't see the fracas between Pamelah and Martin before I wrote my post (not quite used to the multiple pages of posting thing). I think I'm seeing what the misunderstanding is between the two of you, but don't want to address it here. And I don't think it's about what either of you think it is. If you both want a completely different (and analytical) perspective on the same topic (is it arch or tented arch or just what the heck is it and why does it or when does it matter anyway in terms of the LifePrints system?) I'd love to give it, but only if someone is interested.
Okay, back to the original post on Den's fingerprints...
Wow. This is fun to watch and very instructive for me as a teacher of fprint identification. I knew it would be practically impossible to describe this level of diagnosis in a book. We'll see how people do with the way I presented it in mine. This is what live teachers and classes are for (as someone else kindly noted in another thread I read earlier today).
If it's okay for me to butt-in then keep reading. If not, then stop reading right now!
After looking through it all Den's chart is:
Composite|Radial Loop-Tented Arch|Loop|Composite|Loop
Composite|Radial Loop|Loop|Super messy sprial whorl|Loop
Den, you have a couple of prints that can be hard to ferret out the details on, but they are very ferret-out-able.
Your RT Jupiter/Index DOES definitely have tented arch energy because the tri-radius is "pushing" the loop over (horizontally) and taking up more of the space than in a straight normal loop. (Martin, for the moment, just think of it as a less-than-full loop like the others in Den's print chart...forget the semantics for now...in another print chart we might well just call it a loop). It isn't enough tented arch energy to put you in the School of Wisdom so skip that. You are squarely in the School of Service/Sacrifice with your four whorls. (Love takes 8/7 maybe, so this one's out too and there are no arches present at all).
Noting the "lower ranking" quality, of the right Jupiter loop is important (compared to the other loops in the chart). Let's do a strict accounting for the ranking number of this print so we can see how it compares against the others. A radial loop is worth 3.2 points. A tented arch is worth 2 points. Add these together and you get 5.2. Now divide in half (the number of print types involved) and the ranking number for this print comes out to 2.6. Let's make a print chart made up of the ranking numbers for all of the prints.
3.9|2.6|3|3.9|3
3.9|3.2|3|3.9|3
Now, about the left Apollo/ring finger. It's an awfully messy whorl that looks like it just barely has made it beyond being a super peacock. In your chart this becomes important because if we demote it just a bit to account for this then it runs neck-and-neck with the 3.9 ranking of the composite on your right Apolllo/ring finger. The decoding of these fingerprints just beg for what we call a case of "Reader's Choice" (when the fingerprints leave room for interpretation because they're "breaking the rules"). Sometimes I give the person both right and left Apollo purposes with this kind of set-up (because of the deeper meaning of what the composite represents), but let's not even go there at the moment.
In your particular chart, the devil really is in the details. In another person's chart, these details may not matter at all because other prints may be clearly HIGHER and LOWER ranking.
So, what do we get for your Purpose and Lesson now?
Successful "Artist" (Make your living, as in money to pay the rent, put food on table, etc.) from your creative self expression. Richard calls this the "Unstarving Artist." The challenge is to get so dedicated to your creativity and finding a way to express it/yourself that you then put it out in public and ask to be paid, in real tangible money, for it. How else can you every hope to practice your creativity enough to create something exceptional and unique that you can ask for/and receive payment for?
(If I play with a Reader's Choice version of this I might well go for the Innovator in the Spotlight...but I'd want the rest of your hands to make a call on how to go with this. This is the "you gotta know the rules to break them" level of readership).
And, your Life Lesson?
It's that Right Jupiter finger. Can you find and practice confidence and put yourself out in the world and impact other people? How do you do with authority figures and with stepping up yourself and learning how to be a very good one? Youv'e got Richard's book and can read more there.
With your particular Purpose and Lesson (and the composites) I must say I'm delighted that you've got your picture up on your profile. Congratulations for stepping up, expressing yourself, and, literally, letting us see who you are! This constitutes a great display of the everyday expression of the Artist and doing an everyday level of your Lesson.
And, to take the whole thing to the next level with your "exalted life lesson" popped in, you're a Big Shot Innovator in the Spotlight. What are you up to these days that looks like this??? Think Steve Jobs, Deepak Chopra, Carolyn Myss. You know, little people like that.
Goodness, I do love hands!
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First of all that was a very generous analysis on my prints, thank you Ronelle for that gift.
As you know already, the first lifeprint readings are usually done on yourself, thank you for bringing some clarification because my print pattern was very complex from an ID perspective. I have recently started workng with fingerprints, so the more detailed, intricate patterns have some grey areas still.
I have been the innovator in the spotlight my whole life Ronelle, but have lacked the breakthrough success that I have desired. I have always put myself out there and have shined at times, but have felt held-back by circumstances. As my reading has evolved this week, I have thought about the interpretations, and determined that I have indeed de-valued my abilities for the sake of others, and it has been a hard pill to swallow. But awareness is half the battle. My response to authority is overly congenial to say the least. Perhaps, a little too nice at times. I will be stewing on this reading for certain, and brilliant job.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 10:55 am |
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Lynn wrote: Martijn said (I would say ... because of the presence of a triradius, it should be classified as an 'arch').
I think you made a mistake there my friend - as you know, (simple) arches do not have triradius!
This is a difficult one. It looks like an arch. But I also see a triradius. However there are no other patterns such as loop or tent arch next to or above the triradius. Altho maybe a single ridge loop has been partly obliterated by the dark line caused by the ink? How would you classify it Martijn?
... Lynn, WHAT ASPECT in this print makes it for you look like an arch?
(or do we agree that it is not an arch? Regarding your suggestion of a single loop - which should be classified as an 'tented arch' according the science of fingerprints [dactyloscopy] - I think because various ridges are connected there is no obvious single loop)
Thanks Lynn, yes in my earlier post I described what I meant ... but I had forgotten to write the word 'tented' in front of the word 'arch'.
To avoid new misunderstandings:
I repeat: in case we agree that the following fingerprint has a triradius ... I think there is only one possibility: 'tented arch'.
(by the way, I would say that even the 'pointed-shape' of the complete fingerprint confirms the classification 'tented arch')
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 11:24 am |
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Ronelle Coburn wrote: (Martin, for the moment, just think of it as a less-than-full loop like the others in Den's print chart...forget the semantics for now...in another print chart we might well just call it a loop).
Hi Ronelle,
Thanks for this confirmation. Yes, I understand what you mean:
I noticed before that Den's fingerprint has the 3 basic-characteristics of a 'loop' - but I also recognize that some aspect of this 'loop' doesn't make it look like a classical 'loop' (but I would say that the abnormality is not prominent enough to leave the classificiation 'loop' ... for it has the 3 basic-characteristics of a (radial) loop!).
I think my essential point is that you and Pamelah keep your focuss on the assumption that there is a 'pole' in Den's fingerprint (in Richard's theory: the triradius + 'vertical tent pole' are the basic characteristic of a 'tented arch') ... however I think my drawings of Den's fingerprint (in the photos below) indicate that actually ...
... there is no (isolated) 'tent pole' at all!
(for the ridge-line starting in the triradius, travels all the way to the right side of Den's fingerprint)
(no 'pole' ... also indicated in my first drawing)
 Den ... I rest my case.
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Lynn wrote: Thanks Martijn, even tho you recommended it for Den, you know I will love it too! I was just about to order this book at the cheapest price I could find but noticed it was 1945 edition. I think google books sometimes edit out some pages, and not sure if you can print it from there?
I found it online also here http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/19022 hmm so I have to print out 153 pages. Maybe I should just buy it ;-)
Hi,
Check this link also for the same book (I suppose) http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20480/20480-h/20480-h.htm
Its probably one of the best books I have gone through.
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Thanks Martijn, always appreciate the perfection and energy you have for your work. I would hate to debate with you. That print is a weird one for sure. The judicious thing to do is to classify the print in both ways and see what makes sense from a reading perspective. The main effect will be in the life lesson category, and luckily it is a low ranking print regardless of its identitiy. The arguments off-set one another, you have a scientific, clinical breakdown, then you have the "this print has arch energy, I have seen this before" breakdown of the print.
I was much impressed with the numerical table and calculations Ronelle, kind of like a Microsoft excel for hand reading.
After sifting through this post, I forsee more books on fingerprints on the horizon for me. More composite prints ID'd than anticipated, I only predicted one composite and maybe a peacock. The content of everybody's reads has been truly magical and informative. The main components have been confirmed by all, and I can carry the themes with me.
I find myself using a lot of "smoke and mirrors" Ronelle to make it through the work day. I work in a highly technical field and have a degree in chemistry, but the way I do things is much different than most of my co-workers. I am with customers everyday in their facilities, and the showman helps sell our services and keeps my scientist customers at bay. Most of my customers are like Martijn, very thorough and analytical, so I have to use some charm in the workplace. Sometimes it doesn't work so well. 
Thanks again,
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Hi Den, great to see that you are able to handle the developments in this discussion. And your feedback indicates to me... that you actually feel very fine with the results!
(I guess this is one of the VARIOUS interesting results of this discussion!)
Thanks for posting your fingerprints!!
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Lynn, WHAT ASPECT in this print makes it for you look like an arch?
(or do we agree that it is not an arch?....)
If I was looking at the live hand, without the big magnification, I think I would have missed the triradius, just noticed the flow of the skin ridges, and therefore classified it as an arch!
Thank you for making me aware of the 3 different types of tent arch. I previously only knew the upthrust type. Yes I can see now why you classify this print as tent arch.
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Hey Martin!
Please don't assume that my ideas and Pamelah's concur.
As far as I'm concerned, what makes a tented arch is not that it has a long "pole" but the presence of the tri-radius near the center of the fingerprint (whether it's vertical dimension is very short or very long). Once a tri-radius moves over and is hogging the show, there is tented arch energy there, with or without concurrent looping going on or not. This is the way we look at it at the IIHA. It is very technical and not at all intuition based...otherwise this system would not work. There are hard rules in this system for fingerprint identification and for identifying "subtypes," fingerprints that have characteristics of more than one fingerprint type. I'm sure you've noticed that all fingerprints of a given type are not equal...as Den's prints clearly demonstrate. It is possible, and not too difficult—when you know the basic characteristics of each print type—to see when there are mutiple fingerprint characteristics combined into a single fingerprint. One particular print you and Pamelah were arguing about has three print type characteristics in it and, from my view, the diagreement you were having over it missed the point entirely...that it had characteristics of loops, tented arches, and arches (tri-radius was centered, looping on one side, and the whole thing was short/had a "low ceiling" on it). This is a fingerprint we call a "gamut" because it runs the gamut of type characteristics. How it stacks up and whether it's important or not depends on the other nine fingerprints. And this is the other main point, in the LifePrints system, all the fingerprints must be taken into account in context with each other. The old way of looking at this fingerprint in isolation on a particular finger is completely meaningless and nonsensical. It's like trying to understand a sentence with 90% of the words missing.
I agree with you entirely that Den's right jupiter is a radial loop. We have to have detialed ways of determining when a fingerprint is more fully formed and less fully formed and ways of indicating it. So, in this case, at a certain point, it's just semantics. In another print chart, perhaps one where the balance of prints were arches, we'd just call it a radial loop. What's important is it would then be the highest ranking print, the one denoting the Life Purpose. In most charts this print is going to drop out and getting this specific with it just doesn't matter and isn't worth the time. In yet a third chart, one where the balance of prints are loops (I had a client with this chart recently) I went Reader's Choice and counted the radial loop portion as higher ranking (and thus, the purpose) and the tented arch part as the lowest ranking (and thus, the lesson). Life Purpose and Life Lesson on the same finger. In the context—of the entire chart and the hand—this made absolute sense. The purpose was Passions and the Lesson was Numbness and the balance of loops, as the School of love and the challenge to know one's feelings was a perfect fit.
Okay, I'm outta time. I've got hands to go read!
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Den:
From what you're describing it's easy to hear the process of your purpose and lesson in action. Please know that innovators have the job of "converting the skeptics" and handling a lot of criticism and the more confidence you have in yourself and what you do, the more others will have confidence in you and your innovation. You don't want to either kow-tow to others or, conversely, run them over with your life lesson (or succumb to the dual extremes of the pleaser/conformist with your apollo purpose). Just try to stand tall, stay steady, find out what the client's problems are (listen and agree with them a LOT first, then give them your point of view/solution), and then show them how your innovative solution will work for them. You want to keep improving your ability to lead the horses to the water and then inspire them to drink. As you get better and better at this, you will get seen as the innovator you are, whether it's in this particular job or with anything you do in all areas of your life.
Remember, Innovators see the world in radically different ways than everyone else...you have the tough job of "translating" for the rest of us! Because you live with yourself, and your view is clear to you, you probably often feel like you're stuck in the mud with a bunch of bozos! But we're not bozos (well, some of us are...sorry) we just don't have the unique point of view you have so we need some help in stepping into your shoes see it.
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