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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 12:07 am |
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If anyone knows who owns the web site http://www.palmistry.com.au I would be very grateful if they could contact me.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 12:23 am |
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Hi Sue,
Yes, actually Lea (I don't believe she is a palmist) is one of my 'Hand Analysis Link Partners':
http://www.handresearch.com/hand/Evolutie/wwwpartnerEngels.htm
At the links-page of that website you will find her e-mail adress.
Martijn.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 12:25 am |
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Hi Martijn
Thank you for the info
Sue 
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 12:33 am |
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You're welcome!
PS. Sue, I would appreciate to be be informed if you come to the conclusion that she does practice palmistry (for I am aware only that this website does present a palmistry course).
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 12:35 am |
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I'm really sorry to say that Lea is guilty of direct copying of my A.dip.ICP palmistry course. If any of my students, past or present, were to visit her web site at http://www.palmistry.com.au and visit the 'Learn Palmistry' page, they will notice a disconcerting similarity to the course they are studying, or have studied, with Palmistry International.
Well, actually, it is exactly the same, because she has copied it word for word! Oh, there is one difference - she has missed out the words 'life line' as part of the study. I assume she missed that one or made a mistake while she was copying and pasting!
I'm wondering if she has actually taken the course content word for word as well! I don't know how many times I have visited other palmistry sites, and found my own words on their pages. Taking words from a web page is one thing, but taking a whole course is quite another.
It sickens me, it really does!
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 12:36 am |
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You posted while I was posting.
Yes, you are right, she does offer a palmistry course. Mine!!
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 12:44 am |
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| Just looking through the site, I can't see a link to a palmistry course though. She writes about a course, but does she actually offer one?
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 12:45 am |
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 ... hmm... that's really bad news Sue!
How did you find out?
Can we view 'her' course content online?
(the 'learn-palmistry' page on her website doesn't seem to provide a link to her course)
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 12:48 am |
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... or maybe you are talking about content on this page?:
http://www.palmistry.com.au/palmistry-lines.html
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 01:08 am |
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 ... oeps, you already noticed that page!
Hmmm ... actually, does she really present a course?
Sue, I get the impression that the few pages which are presented on that website ... are the full course.
Maybe, this is all there is to find out for you?
PS. Please, keep me informed about this, since obviously this provides me a reason to re-consider my link partnership with that website.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 01:49 am |
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 That is very disheartening to hear. Stealing intellectual property is the same as stealing anything else in my opinion. Hope this person does not try to sell your course as hers. We might have to go and push a pie in her face or something.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 01:49 am |
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 Oopsie double posted, sorry peopleLast edited on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 01:51 am by Den
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 02:54 am |
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Sue, this kind of plagiarism is sooo annoying!! Write to them and ask them to remove it, if they don't then try their web hosts. If they don't remove it, I suggest you report them to Ken Lagerstrom who has a list to 'name and shame' palmistry plagiarists. Between us, Ken and I got a few pages of palmistry plagiarism removed from the internet over the last couple of years. http://www.humanhand.com/palmistryscams.html
by the way if you want to find who a domain is registered to, you can do a "who is" look-up such as http://www.who.is/whois-au/ip-address/palmistry.com.au/ altho the registrant might just be the technical guy / web designer whilst the content is written by someone else.
edit PS by the way I notice Lea's email address is via this domain http://www.accesspositive.com.au/
I like Den's idea "We might have to go and push a pie in her face or something."
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 04:22 pm |
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Like my non-violent approach to life Lynn?
 I feel bad for you Sue if it is true, on the other hand, at least you have a palmistry course worth stealing; some of them you couldn't give away with free shipping. Besides that, people join your programs because the person running it has integrity, knowledge, and is personable. She can steal the course, but she has no credibility in the community, as you do. No worries.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 05:18 pm |
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Looking closer at her site today, I can't see that she offers any course?
I notice that she has also copied, word for word, from Dr. Ghanshyam Singh Birla's website, the palmistry & relationships page.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 10:18 pm |
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I don't know...........there seems to be such a lot of copying on the net. This isn't the first time is it? There have been others in the past, and I'm sure there will be others in the future.
One thing I have learnt since being on the net is that you have to keep on your toes and keep coming up with new ideas, because you can bet your life that as soon as you have an idea and put it into practice, there will always be someone who thinks to themselves, 'Aha, I'll do that!' What does surprise me, though, is that these people who blatantly take other people's work will actually believe that no-one will notice! Or worse, not care whether anyone notices or not! How crazy is that? Anyone who spends time making a web site or designing a course is bound to be interested in other sites, and take the occasional wander around.
I'm always a little dubious about any site where you can't actually contact the person behind the scenes, and where there is no form of contact. I did try to email Lea, but the email bounced straight back to me. Why am I not surprised?
Den - Thank you for your comments and support. 
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 11:18 pm |
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Palmistry International wrote: I'm always a little dubious about any site where you can't actually contact the person behind the scenes, and where there is no form of contact. I did try to email Lea, but the email bounced straight back to me. Why am I not surprised?
Hi Sue,
For your information: several months ago I did have some e-mail conversations with this Lea. So I am surprized that your email 'bounced straight back'!
Don't you ask your students to sign some kind of contract in which they declare not to 'share' your course material?
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Posted: Sat Apr 12th, 2008 02:41 am |
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Palmistry International wrote: What does surprise me, though, is that these people who blatantly take other people's work will actually believe that no-one will notice! Or worse, not care whether anyone notices or not! How crazy is that?
hi Sue, some people don't have a clue about the concept of intellectual copyright, some are under the impression that any website is publicly available and so is free information that can be copied. I have corresponded with a few people over the last two years who had copied and pasted directly from my website. Most of them didn't know that they had done anything wrong, were quick to apologise and either remove the info or post a link to my website to credit where they got the info, so we were all happy. Two had no email contact on their blog so I wrote to their service provider - one posted a link, & for some reason the other website was removed. Only one has proved to be a complete ass and, when his web provider warned him about plagiarism, he moved to another webhost - he only has bits and pieces from my website (and used to have some from yours, I don;t know if it is still there, I told you at the time) but he copied loads from Christopher's History of Handreading. He is named and shamed on ken's website. I think it is worth trying again to contact Lea - if her email doesn't work, try the accesspositive website? I don't think people should be allowed to get away with plagiarism, it's not on!
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