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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 07:22 pm |
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You find copying and plagiarism everywhere and in the most unlikely places - this time at the msn group, CreepyCarriesCrypt 
I found the sections on the Life line, head line, heart line and Girdle of Venus ..... illuminating!
An interesting hour spent browsing the net
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 08:41 pm |
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Hi Sue,
Again, I am sorry to hear about this.
I have noticed your 'copyright?' comment on that website.
However, have you noticed the 'fair use law' presented on the Homepage of that website? - it says:
"Should someone visiting the site find a particular post that belongs to them, and objects to thier work being displayed here, please email me with the message #, and it will gladly be removed."
I think statement this shows a willingness to delete you work from that site ...!
And maybe I have another isue for you to consider:
By creating a link from your forum directed to that website, you actually CREATE traffic towards that website! Search engines might even think that this forum supports that website!!!
(Especially, because I have reason to assume that the 'palmistry' pages at that website hardly attract any traffic at all)
So, what I am trying here is ... try to become aware of unwanted side-effects of HOW YOU PRESENT the plagiarism!
(I hope you understand what I am trying to say here)
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 08:48 pm |
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Hi Martijn
Yes, I do understand what you are saying, and have already edited the post.
HOWEVER, if I thought Creepy Carries Crypt was bad, it doesn't have a patch on *******!!! Geez, I have just been to their site and they must have taken, well, I don't know how many pages off my site! Even I was surprised!! 
And of course, I have already written to them..........The material may already have been removed!
Let's hope so
Edit ......No, its still there.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 09:00 pm |
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Oh dear!
And another!
The Mystic Board Forum, posted by bssrinivasan from Mumbai - He's used my travel lines page
Still looking..........................
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 09:07 pm |
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Perfect!
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 09:47 pm |
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 09:54 pm |
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Hi Den
No, copyscape doesn't stop people from copying and pasting, but allows you to check who is copying your material and where it is appearing. Its been interesting today, I have to say.
***** is the worst offender I have seen so far - an unbelievable amount has been literally lifted from my site, and I notice each post, even though long, has been posted within one or two minutes of each other. A bit of a cheek, in anyone's language. And they have said that it was sourced from books! Not a mention of Palmistry International anywhere at all. It took me ages to write all that information but only minutes for them to copy it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 09:56 pm |
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I remember going to one site, a couple of years ago, and thinking 'Hey! That's my hand on that page!'
I would know my own hand anywhere! 
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 10:48 pm |
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Must not be very good hand readers...unbelievable. Need to be taught a lesson.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 01:30 am |
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I can't believe it, I just lost my long reply by getting distracted as to what den's attachment showed..... (you can't see attachments from reply box) haha, so we've gone from pie-in-face to flogging :-)
anyway after I clicked on that, my msg was gone!
Well done Sue. I recognised your words on CreepyCarriesCrypt. I looked at Keepers of the Veil and couldn't see anything on palmistry - have they removed it, or maybe I was looking in the wrong place?
Thanks Den & Sue for alerting me to copyscape. Thanks to them I found a couple more plagiarists of my words. Only a couple of paragraphs - in the past I would have let this go but recently decided to take a zero tolerance attitude to plagiarism! I have written polite emails. My first approach is to assume they don't understand about copyright law. If they don't respond then I approach their webhost / server / directory host etc.
Actually, looking around tonight I am pleasantly surprised to find no trace of some others who had plagiarised my site in the past.
This afternoon I experienced plagiarism of the nicest kind! One of my students gave a talk on palmistry to the local Theosophical Society. I was really proud of him, he knew his stuff and made it so interesting and such fun! At first it was really strange to hear my teaching words spoken by someone else.... I have to give the guy credit, he knows the handouts word for word which is more than I do!! It was a delight to see the audience getting interested in looking at their hands and comparing each others. And it was a joy to see how passionate my student is about hands. Interesting to see the ones who started off as sceptics with a fixed "I'm bored" look, comments such as "this isn't theosophy or philosophy" starting to examine their hands. It was great to see him taking it "out there". ........ Of course he had a good teacher  (ahem, only jokin' :-) )
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 01:47 am |
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Follow up to one of the emails I wrote to a plagiarist tonight....
"Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed...."
oh well in that case no one can contact her for a reading! Nor for reflexology which she also plagiarised from someone else. It is wonderful when they are foolish enough to copy from others and equally foolishly give an invalid email address. Instant karma
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 02:31 am |
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Hi Lynn...that's what happens when I run out of pies.
That is a beautiful story about your student. I get the same kind of thrill when my kids do well or especially when they behave well. Both you and Sue are mentoring many people just from the postings here, and you guys are indeed terrific teachers.
Sorry to hear you guys have had your intellectual property kidnapped here lately. Probably "bad mercurians" as Benham would call them. I guess they were looking for "filler" in their web sites at your expense. Hope it works itself out after contacting them.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 09:27 pm |
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Not another!!
This time it is Style Career, who I notice are also selling an ebook ($39) on how to succeed in the palmistry business. I wonder if the ebook also contains my own information.
Style Career receive a
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 09:53 pm |
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Spark People Message Forums also receives a although they appear to have now removed the information.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 10:08 pm |
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Articles Central are major offenders where I have discovered the whole of my heart line page lifted into their site.
Can't anyone write their own stuff?
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 10:33 pm |
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| Mystic Board scores again, with information on the thumbs lifted and passed as their own work.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 12:19 am |
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Sue Compton wrote: Not another!!
This time it is Style Career, who I notice are also selling an ebook ($39) on how to succeed in the palmistry business. I wonder if the ebook also contains my own information.
Oh! What part of your work did Style Career copy? I just checked their palmistry page and it wouldn't display. Three of us were interviewed for that ebook - me, Myrna-Lou and Janet Savage. I got a summary of our interviews but never saw what was in the e-book.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 06:16 am |
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Hi Lynn
Hmmm, I'm thinking that you perhaps should have read the book! 
Regarding my info, they have written to me and told me they will remove my words from their pages immediately. I haven't yet checked but will do so later.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 06:43 am |
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I forgot to mention, Lynn - I read one of your faq's on Yahoo answers. Someone had copied your words exactly in order to answer a question on there! It got the 'best answer' award!
You might have already seen it, or perhaps you wrote it .....
Its everywhere, isn't it! tch tch
The answers I have been receiving at some sites as to why my work has been copied is worrying indeed. I'm still looking into it but I'm being told that certain publications, courses, magazines and so on are offering my work copyright free.
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Thanks Sue, yes my words (copied & pasted by other people) have won two "best answers" on yahoo questions!! I didn't bother chasing them up, but with my new 'zero tolerance' approach I might just do that ! PS I notice Martijn won some best answers - his own words posted by himself 
re Style Career, I was interviewed by journalist Kristina Morris-Heredia then, as I understood it, the info passed on to the editor Jennie S. Bev. I asked to see how it was presented in the book, but was only sent a copy of the interview summary - and I certainly wasn't going to buy the book! I wasn't too bothered as I figured that a 61 page e-book for $39.95 (regular price $49.95) wasn't exactly gong to be a best seller!  I would be surprised if they sold any at all! They have taken down the "How to start a palm reading business" page, but I found it on google cache. Also found another of their pages on palmistry that links to Johnny's site & mentions Christopher's history pages.
The answers I have been receiving at some sites as to why my work has been copied is worrying indeed. I'm still looking into it but I'm being told that certain publications, courses, magazines and so on are offering my work copyright free.
They can't legally do that can they? I know the copyright laws vary in different countries so it can be a minefield finding out where you stand and what to do about it. It is such a shame as you have worked so hard on your site & put so much useful info out there. I hope these people co-operate, if not then you have to take it further to their servers. Or we send Den round with his custard pies and flogging equipment
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Here's another one! Fernando Villanova Software - Freeware - "Through Your Hands" downloads for PalmOS3
This software has been available since about '02, and I only just saw that the advert to describe this software, on loads of download sites, is word for word from an article I wrote years ago. I don't have a Palm handheld thingy to be able to view the content of his course. But I found a prog that allowed me to read some of the text and my faq page is in there. Pfff.
Sue, how are you getting on, have you had luck getting any of the plagiarists to remove your words or credit you as author?
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 08:09 pm |
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Hi Lynn
This is bad news indeed! When you begin to look into plagiarism, its amazing just what you find. It appears to be happening everywhere, to so many people, and not just to palmists. The problem with this world is that too many people can't be bothered themselves, so rely on those who can be bothered to do all the work for them.
Its not flattering to have someone like your work so much that they pass if off as their own. It just shows complete laziness and lack of integrity.
I have had some luck in having my own stuff removed. I think some people really don't realise that the author of work found on the internet is likely to browse around themselves. I don't think some people bother to even think about this or whether they should be copying pages and pages of other people's work.
The problem with downloadable freeware, like I found at articles central, it could be almost impossible to stop, even if it is contains your own work, taken without permission.
I think webmasters are really going to have to take a serious look at how they can avoid information being taken and lifted from their web sites. Plagiarism is rife!
Sue
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 11:58 pm |
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Sue Compton wrote: I don't think some people bother to even think about this or whether they should be copying pages and pages of other people's work.
I agree. It seems that many people are not even aware of the concept of intellectual copyright and think that if it is on the internet, it is public domain and free to be copied. So far I have a good response, most have been genuinely apologetic and removed my stuff from their websites, or posted a link to my site to quote the source.
The problem with this world is that too many people can't be bothered themselves, so rely on those who can be bothered to do all the work for them.
My friend's a secondary school teacher and when she gets suspiciously articulate essays handed in, she just puts a sentence of it into google and finds the source her students have copied from!! As you say, plagiarism is everywhere!
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