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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 02:36 am |
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Found in a forum on the net -
I've been to 3 fortune tellers (card readers), my son went to 2 palmists. I think they are all guesswork. They are VERY good at reading you're facial expressions (that's where the money is!), you're style of clothing, ect. With a few well placed questions here and there, it's all pieced together. Anyone can do it. Even Chris Angel proved that. If they have to ask, they're fake.
How would you respond?
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 06:09 pm |
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I found this in a blog at http://mentalcentral.blogspot.com/2005/03/astrology-palmistry-numerology-and.html
On Palmistry: Falls under the Horoscope category...Just lines in your hands...They can reveal nothing other than...telling you if you washed your hands this morning.!
I feel, its High time People from all over the world come out all these spells that are cast around them
Still a long way to go yet then?
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Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2008 08:41 pm |
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Sue,
Just like not every child learns in the same way - we cannot possibly convince or teach every person how palmistry is helpful.
I have close family members who thinks palmistry is 'hocus pocus'. I do not go out of my way to convince them because they have a mental block.
A lot of people abuse palmistry to flirt with opposite gender or just to make an impression - and thats why we have this portion of the population who cannot be convinced.
Reading that article - why did the man go to an astrologist in the first place? Maybe, he wanted to hear something good - which he heard - and then finding out later it was not true. Pity on such people. Considering that many parents in India want sons instead of daughters - the astrologer told him he will have two sons (what he wanted to hear) but when he got two daughters he is now questioning the astrologer's integrity. Ofcourse, if the astrologer had said he will have two daughters - he would not have been paid or tipped..eh?!
People tend to incline towards astrology and numerology and palmistry to get things they want or want to hear things they like or desire. I dont blame the astrologer who is just out there to make some money - I blame people who blindly go to just any astrologer to find 'desirable' answers.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2008 09:12 pm |
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I think you've made some really good points!
I know someone who always says that he doesn't believe in palmistry. Fair enough, you can't convince ALL the people, ALL the time. Interesting though, because when he met a woman that he wanted to date, the very first thing he did was to take some hand prints off her, and then brought them round for me to look at them at the first opportunity he had! Doesn't believe in it, eh? Hmmmm.......!
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Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2008 05:27 pm |
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Hi Susan,
 .... great to bring up 'the greatest Hand Reading challenge' again!
First of all ... don't put too much energy AGAINST the fixed thoughts of other people:
- For a sceptical point of view can actually be very honest & sincere!
Second ... LISTEN CAREFULLY to what people really are saying!
- For a sceptical point of view if often based on common sense and/or personal experiences
Third ... you can create the opportunity for people to CHANGE THEIR PERSPECTIVE (or the perspective of the discussion!):
- When people are relating palmistry with horoscopes (or Tarot, etc.) they are usually focussed on future predictions and/or psychological matters.
By changing the focuss towards health & medical issues you can safely inform your discussion partner that medical specialists are using various aspects of the human hand to diagnose medical problems:
As you know, the major items in the medical perspective of hand reading are:
- the simian line, which is famous for the correlation with Down's Syndrome (+ diseases & genetic disorders)
- the dermatoglyphics, in relation to various genetic disorders (including Down's syndrome - again)
- the nails, in relation to numberless diseases and disorders.
More details are presented here:
http://www.handresearch.com/hand/Evolutie/medischEngels.htm
Fourth ... you can try to take the discussion INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION: the psychological and/or spiritual aspect of life!
And finally ... I hope your discussion partner will be able to appreciate your honest and sincere efforts by saying something like:  ... sounds very interesting!"
I hope this makes sense ...
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 03:59 pm |
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People who think palmistry is fake, obviously don't know much about the subject or had a bad experience. There are fakes out there ofcourse. I've seen a few clips on youtube that are evidence of that; This 'palmist' read a guy's hand and told him he would make a lot of money in the coming week, even how much money exactly...
Palmistry still has this stereotypical thing about fortune telling about it but it's more about insight.
If they would tell me palmistry is fake, how would I respond?
Offer them to read their hand and baffle them by the outcome.  (When I'm actually a proffesional reader I would respond like that :p )
This is the video I was talking about btw
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=NSYfNIAWOgY
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 06:58 pm |
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Some people are quick to dismiss things due to bad experiences or upbringing or whatever (as the posters have pointed out above.) It all boils down to fear and ignorance. Not fear in palmistry exactly, but perhaps fear in trying something new, maybe of in being wrong and having to re-learn. Humans have a habit for liking comfortable things, that includes everyday decisions and other life patterns, even if things could be improved for a better life quality most decide to go for the well-worn path they know. Not that it's a horrible thing, however.
Palmistry, like most things, can be used for 'good or evil' purposes in people's eyes. That is how we've been conditioned in the past thousand years or so; always combating that 'evil' to reach that 'good' life or 'after' life. So if something is strange and mysterious (ie, new to them) they may be quick to fit it in the 'evil' category.
And perhaps some people do think it's real but choose not to outwardly believe or say they believe in it because they don't want to think their hands are a type of Billboard into their personal lives and certainly don't want others to 'catch on' to it.
So many reasons out there, really.
People will believe what they want to believe and live how they wish. I don't try to enforce the belief of palmistry on my friends or strangers alike, nor do I wear a shirt that says 'I <3 Palmistry. U should 2!" and I certainly don't put it on every signature post in every forum I frequent.
If I happen to be around people who are talking about palmistry, and someone goes on and on about it being evil, I might provide a neutral outlook for the group but only because I've a personal interest in Palmistry and I like to make sure there is always more than one way to look at anything. I've no intentions of mocking or shunning the 'disbeliever' for what to me may appear as lame excuses and ignorance; I'd be just as 'bad' as them, from the other end.
As the topic would turn to the practise of arguing rather than discussing palmistry politely, it would only reaffirm the person's beliefs that palmistry is useless. "Palmistry + arguing = Palmistry is bad." would be their enforced mentality. It'd likely then carry on into their next palmistry conversation with someone else as it may have now become a [subconscious, mind you] conditioned habit to find a 'fight against it' and affirm it's 'uselessness' even more.
My $0.02
Edit: Ah spelz guud
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 06:39 pm |
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Hi,
I agree with Eirien, that most of the time negative reactions coming from fear. I noticed that people are afraid of subjects / topics that they can not explain, can not touch or were not taught from childhood in school or by parents.
However lot of people are taking advantage of such a great and old science as Palmistry, by pretending to be a Palm readers and fortune tellers. I met some of them in my life and was ashamed knowing that they are ripping off people (charging them lot of money for the reading) and guiding them in wrong directions. I believe that knowing a basics of the palm lines, knowing peoples personalities, listening to their replies on the tricky questions does not makes someone a palmist. unfortunately there is lot of people like that, who are making for living by taking advantage of the people who are not capable to see a difference between the real palm reader and faux one. That is why so many negative comments are made about the palmistry, astrology, tarot cards.
For me all of them are the science in self discovery and self understanding. Understanding of who we are not just physically but spiritually. Knowing your strength and witnesses we can take most of our lives.
Now I have a question. What do you think about the destiny / life? Can person change it? As you know our palm lines showing the facts / situations that will happen to us in certain period of time (like travel, divorce, sickness, death). I know that everything depends on the choices we make in our life, however certain thing you can not change or get away from. Am I right?
What do you think?
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Posted: Mon Apr 7th, 2008 06:01 am |
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Yes, some things you can't change, (like the past) but anything in the future is changealbe, and if you feel you cannot change something, you can get away from them if you don't want them in your life.
As far as fakes, I believe there are fakes, but I would never go as far as to say 'they're ALL are'. I've studied palms for over twenty years, I would never say that's faking anything.
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 02:30 am |
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 05:29 am |
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 I think if there's something in a person's life they do not want, they can change it. It doesn't mean they will, however. But the possibility is there.
An example, alcoholism, a person might not want it, they don't like it, and they would even say that they can't change it. But, it doesn't mean that it's not possible.. it's their perception that they can't.
Everything in life is about how you perceive it to be. I cannot convince someone to take my advice, it's only my advice. The person takes it on board and makes up their own mind and how they perceive it.
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Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 02:15 am |
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Thanks for explanation
In that case should I consider that our destiny is our perception? Could it be that some people are destined to see, hear, feel and understand how to perceive life and others do not?
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 02:24 am |
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It's useless to try to argue or reason with someone who's made up their mind it's a bunch of crap. My standard response is "I don't blame you for being skeptical. There is a lot of phony stuff out there. You have to be careful." This usually surprises them that I agree with them and if they're open minded at all I can usually do a quick reading for them. My other response is "I provide a service for those who can benefit from it and entertainment for those who enjoy it, and if you don't fall into either of those categories, no hard feelings." <g>
But argue? Fuggeddaboudit. Any dogs I have in those fights died of old age about twenty years ago.
I think it's funny the skeptic quoted by the OP mentione Criss Angel as n authority. What she was referring to was Criss set up in a mall and did "readings." What he did was glue cut-out astrology columns to tarot cards and read them aloud. He said this was PROOF all psychics were fake. I think this shows the level, or lack thereof, of the skeptic's openmindedness. You know, Criss tried to hire me as a consultant! One of the smartest things I ever did was decline the offer.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 06:46 am |
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Thanks Sue posting this matter for general comments:
Sometimes, we meet such persons, who have only a limited approach instead of a broad thought in acquiring something from their surrounding world, because they are just like a frog living in a well, who knew only about a limited surroundings and a narrow view about other outer worldly knowledge beyond that well, which makes sometimes other persons irritated who know much more about outer world beyond that well, but I may say one thing for those who know much more, not to feel irritated because of such persons adverse behavior , because we all are supposed to help needy persons who come to us, with what we possess as additional knowledge above that person in our fields of ASTROLOTY / PALMISTRY / ASTROPALMISTRY.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 05:02 pm |
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Dear Members,
I am posting the E-mail, i had received sometime back from known astrologer.
How astrology helps :
I have taken my car and started for bangalore from hyderabad. since it was the first time i am going, i have consulted my friend who has the knowledge of the route.
Could my friend change my car? NO.
Could he change the route? NO.
Could he improve my driving skills?? absolutely NO
Yet he was useful... he advised me where i could get wonderful food, he told me where i should check for my fuel since there was no bunk for miles to come,,, he pointed out to me where there could be some problems with the road.. he cautioned me at places which are dacoit prone.....
Astrologer too can not change many things but he can make a lot more difference than if one does meet an astrologer.
Best Wishes
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 04:32 pm |
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Helen B wrote:
Now I have a question. What do you think about the destiny / life? Can person change it? As you know our palm lines showing the facts / situations that will happen to us in certain period of time (like travel, divorce, sickness, death). I know that everything depends on the choices we make in our life, however certain thing you can not change or get away from. Am I right?
What do you think?
even though the fingerprints never change, and they are the only part of the hands that we are quite sure doesn't change, so everything else can and may, your relationship with your fingerprints changes all the time - the more you understand at subtle levels, the more you observe your behavior and your reactions with what you know about your fingerprints, the more help you have with somebody assisting you on what it means or how you apply your fingerprints to a certain cicumstance, the more you change your relationship with it. So nothing is cast in stone and you always are able to choose.
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 04:33 pm |
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Helen B wrote: I agree with you that we cannot change the facts / situations that happened to us in the past. But do you think that not every person is capable to get away from things that they do not want? From your professional experience how serious is general population about changing their future? Do they always follow your advise / suggestion?
But you can change your relationship with what has happened which affects the now and the future - I've done this personally so I know it's possible.
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Posted: Tue Sep 9th, 2008 03:13 am |
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Pamelah wrote:
But you can change your relationship with what has happened which affects the now and the future - I've done this personally so I know it's possible.
Yes, I agree, that by changing the relationship with what has happened will affect the now and the future, however in my understanding it is coming from shift in perception / mind set (I do not know how to express it properly, I hope you understand what I am saying).
Now the way I look at it, lines on the hand to not change overnight, they are developing overtime from the choices that we are making in our life. I think it is like a chain reaction, one leads to another one. So every small choice that we make as an individual leads us somewhere.
Ok in my case, when i was in the school, my girl friend pretended to be a palmist, she would read hands to all my class mates, telling them some nonsense. That was the time when I personally became interested in palmistry, that incident changed my perception and I started to pay attention and observe things / world / people differently, however my other class mates did not pay attention to it. We all had same chance, all of us were exposed to new possibly, however i was the only one who made a choice, and now I am communicating with all of you on palmistry matter (even-though I have no idea what I am talking about), while my old classmates are discussing a fashion trend matters. There is a chance that some of them will have different situations that will lead them to change and find a right relationship with past, however there could be a chance that they will ignore it.
So this is what I am trying to say, some people are meant to have a change / click in precipitin at particular time, due to their choices that may not depend on us.
That is just my thoughts and the way I look at it. we can say it is like "When student is ready teacher will come"
"When we are ready to change, we will have enough messages in life to make a choice for change"
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I am not saying that everybody have get dipper into a palmistry or astrology in order to change perception, it was just a small experience from my life as an example.
My intuition is telling me that I did not reach that click level yet, however my choices so far are leading to it in the future. Last edited on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 03:37 am by Helen B
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very good debate, subject matter...
''Change is the only thing that is constant''
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Posted: Mon Jan 5th, 2009 06:50 am |
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HI
Fortune telling and palmistry are two diffirent things. Fortune tellings need power of clairvoyance, intution, ingenuinity, instinct and subtlety.
Palmistry any joker can learn after reading a few books.
I am the only palmist in the whole world, who gives Money Back Water Tight gurantees for predictions made out of reading hand. Is there anybody else who wants to join this club.
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Hi Seawaves,
Nice to see a Palmist who is also a clairvoyant.
'Money back Guarantee' is indeed a new term at palmistry, astrology.
May i know from where you belongs and some discription about yourself.
Thank you,
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seawaves wrote: HI
Fortune telling and palmistry are two diffirent things. Fortune tellings need power of clairvoyance, intution, ingenuinity, instinct and subtlety.
Palmistry any joker can learn after reading a few books.
I am the only palmist in the whole world, who gives Money Back Water Tight gurantees for predictions made out of reading hand. Is there anybody else who wants to join this club.
I forget to say one thing,
Welcome to the forum of palmistry jokers
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