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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 01:38 am |
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| Why do many modern hand readers prefer the term 'cheirologist' to 'palmist'? Any thoughts?
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 04:31 pm |
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"Why do many modern hand readers prefer the term 'cheirologist' to 'palmist'? Any thoughts?"
Yes Susan, I think this is true indeed.
But beyond these words other hand readers prefer to use one of the following words:
Palm Reader, Hand Analyst, Chirologist, or Chirognomist.
(and more likewise word-variations - like for example: handreader, palmreader, handanalyst - are also frequently being used, see: http://www.handresearch.com/news/hand-analyst-network.htm )
From my point of view the major explanation for these variations is a combination of:
The cultural- & geographic background of the hand reader!
But this doesn't implicate that the 'tools' used by a palmist are fundamentally different from the tools used by a cheirologist
- An illustrative example regarding the cultural background of hand reader:
Hand readers who claim to be a palmist frequently exhibit an interest for 'health & future predictions'; hand readers who claim to be a cheirologist usually focuss on 'health & personality issues'
- An illustrative example regarding the geographic background of the hand readers:
Recently, 'Google Trends' provided me interesting observation regarding the popularity of the words: palmistry, palm reading, hand reading, hand analysis, chirology, cheirology etc.
Google trends ...
http://www.google.com/trends?q=hand+reading%2C+palm+reading%2C+palmistry&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
... shows that the word hand reading appears to be relatively popular in Europe (UK + the Netherland), whereas the word palmistry is relatively popular in Asian countries (Pakistan + India), and the word palm reading is relatively frequently being used in the regions of Australia & North America (USA + Canada).
(Notice: these things are much more complicated than the above simple google-trends graphic)
On my website you can find more details about the popularity of these words on the 6 continents of the world: http://www.handresearch.com
(to be continued I guess!)
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 10:06 pm |
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| One fundamental difference in the words is that palmist implies someone who just studies the palm whereas cheirology comes from the Greek - this is from memory sorry if I got the word or translation a bit wrong! - xeri (hand) logos (knowledge or study) so cheirology implies looking at the hand as a whole. I tend to say hand reader or hand analyst.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 10:15 pm |
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I never, ever call myself a palmist, because I have found that many people associate this with the predictive aspect of hand reading. So I generally use the phrase, "I'm a hand analyst: I read hands".
I think it would be very difficult to move away from the word palmistry, simply because many, many modern and existing books continue to have the word 'palmistry' somewhere in their title. So it appears that few are willing to change a word that 1. allows people to find them and 2. Remove something that is already so well known and accepted, even though it doesn't really describe adequately what the modern hand analyst actually does.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 05:33 pm |
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Hi, Susan, I would like to add another thought here:
Is the term 'cheirologist' (+ 'cheirology') really an effective alternative for the word 'palmist' (+ 'palmistry')?
Obviously, you and I and Lynn (and some other members of this discussion forum) are aware of these words (+ the many other alternatives) ... however in one of my searches on the internet I kind of discovered that the word 'cheirology' is merely used in the UK and South Africa (SA).
And therefore ... the use of the word 'cheirologist' might not be an effective and efficient alternative on the internet (+ nor for your website! - since I presume that your website has many visitors from outside the UK and SA).
Another illustrative example for my observation:
A google on the word 'palmist' gives me: 121.000 search results | palmistry: 998.000 search results.
A google on the word 'cheirologist' gives me: 293 search results | cheirology: 5.940 search results.
Conclusion: on the internet the words 'palmist' & 'palmistry' are at least 200 times more frequently used compared to the words 'cheirologist' and 'cheirology'.
PS. Google trends provides much more specific confirmation for these observations.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 05:52 pm |
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Hi Martijn
You are absolutely correct! I have done searches myself and realise that If I called myself a chirologist, the chances of being found on the internet would be pretty remote. Also, I think I'm right in thinking that the name chirologist is also associated with something else. So using that term could be a problem, even if it was preferred to palmistry.
The term chirologist would only really stand a chance if nearly every hand reader stuck to their guns are refused outright to be called a palmist. In so doing, this might result in a significant lack of site visitors for some time to come, but might eventually catch on.... Perhaps some years after all the palmists had died, but it would lead the way forward for the future! Shouldn't we be making such a sacrifice in the name of advancement? Hmm, maybe not!
Its a difficult one!
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 06:39 pm |
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Another quick response - what we also should consider in our little debate:
About: The Cheirologist & The Chirologist
The difference between the words 'cheirologist' and 'chirologist'...!
In line with my previous post:
A google on the word 'cheirologist' gives me: 293 search results | cheirology: 5.940 search results.
A google on the word 'chirologist' gives me: 3.250 search results | palmistry: 10.300 search results.
Conclusion: on the internet the words 'chirologist' & 'chirology' are at least 2-10 times more frequently used compared to the words 'cheirologist' and 'cheirology'.
(probably the result of the efforts made by Arnold Holtzman on: Psychodiagnostic Chirology)
About: The Cheirologist & The Chiropracter
And yes, far most people will get confused because the word 'chiropracter' - this word is about as popular as the word 'palmist', however not related to the palmist at all!
About Cheiro
And therefore I am inclined to challenge your assumption that the basics of the word 'cheirology' would have 'a better chance' (in our Western society) compared to the word 'palmistry'. For ... (as you know yourself!) ... the name Cheiro is commonly associated with one of the most famous and colorful palmists of the early Twentieth Century: Sir Count Louis Hamon from Ireland.
And therefore I am wondering ... Sue, what would you consider as the true origin of the word 'cheirology' from your perspective???
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 06:57 pm |
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Well, first of all, I don't call myself a cheirologist, or chirologist or however you might wish to spell it. I don't like the word myself and prefer the words hand analyst. This is the closest I can come to what I do, which is to analyse hands. I understand that some hand readers prefer the term chirologist because they don't wish to be associated with the idea of fortune telling, which is what palmistry still appears to suggest to many who use the word. And of course, some prefer this term because they believe it more closely represents a more scientific look at the subject.
But hand analyst actually covers all of these doesn't it? The analysis and interpretation of hands, using one or more of any methods currently known.
I would imagine that cheirology obviously has some links with Cheiro, so in this respect, I'm not quite sure why those hand readers who prefer a more scientific approach would prefer the word. Cheiro was hardly in the science class, was he? More the spiritual class, I would have thought, considering he was also a clairvoyant. But even so, having spiritual views myself, I still would not be likely to adopt the word cheirology for what I do. It's one of those words that doesn't sit quite right with me. It doesn't sound nice! And while Cheiro wrote some interesting books, so did many other authors. How about Benhamologists or Altmanologists; Gettingologists or Jacquinologists .............. Naaaaaa, I'll stick with hand analyst
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 07:14 pm |
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That is what I call a crystal-clear-answer!
Thanks for your feedback Susan.
PS. Look what I just found:
http://www.woxikon.com/por/cheiro.php
In Portuguese language the word 'cheiro' means: smell/odor/scent.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 07:23 pm |
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There you are, you see! Without me realising, I instinctively didn't like the word and now I know why - its a smell!!! 
Just thinking about it, what term would you prefer for yourself? I can see that you like the name hand research but when it comes to actually reading a hand, would you continue to class yourself as doing hand research or would you use another term. I'm thinking you would probably prefer to use hand research whenever you look at hands and not consider yourself to 'read' a hand. Am I right?
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 07:48 pm |
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Yes Sue, I can imagine!
But nevertheless, I do feel that the words 'cheirology' and 'chirology' have some unique charme as well.
Regarding my own preference:
Yes, you're right ... my opinion is that the word 'Hand Analysis' is probably most suitable in this field.
And regarding the name of my website: I think the word 'hand-research' perfectly reflects my personaly instinctive approach towards both the Hand & the various fields of Hand Analysis - in which I am involved now for about 15 years.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 09:57 pm |
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Interesting discusssion! :-)
My old dictionary defines "chirology" - "The art or practise of conversing by signs made with the hands or fingers; finger speech" - so...sign language?
Likewise the hands 'speak to us' when we analyse them! ;-)
The original Chirological Society was founded in April 1889 by Katherine St Hill - around the same time (or just before?) Cheiro was writing books. My guess is that Cheiro had some influence from the word 'cheirology' rather than 'cheirology' stemming from him, after all "xeri" (or however you spell it) has always been the Greek word for 'hand'.
I've never liked the word either Sue, (and I didn't know it was a smell ), I used the term 'cheirologist' for a while after studying with Cheirological Society, so that people would ask "what's that?" - whereas if you say "palmist" they immediately start the crystal ball jokes or ask if you can predict their lottery numbers etc! I was never comfortable with the word cheirologist and always prefer 'hand analyst'.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 10:05 pm |
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Hi Lynn
I used the term 'cheirologist' for a while after studying with Cheirological Society, so that people would ask "what's that?" - whereas if you say "palmist" they immediately start the crystal ball jokes or ask if you can predict their lottery numbers etc! I was never comfortable with the word cheirologist and always prefer 'hand analyst'.
Exactly! I get the very same reaction! A chiro.....what? And then I would say, I read hands, only to get the response, oh, you're a palmist. Then suddenly they have a memory lapse, forget my name and call me Gypsy Rose Lee!  ( I love that emoticon ... must use it more!)
No, I like the term hand analyst. It makes sense to me.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 10:42 pm |
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Yeah ... human nature is so predictable!
I guess the three of us had kind of the same experiences:
My funniest 'nickname' was:
Martino de Tover-Trol!
(in English: Martino the Magic Troll)
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 11:10 pm |
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oh Martijn that is the funniest thing I ever heard you say.
You really shouldn't have told me. It is not good for your scientific 'street credibility' my friend ;-) oh dear...From now on it is going to be so hard not to think of you as Martino the Magic Troll
Actually I am laughing out loud in front of my computer like a fool,  so much that I am nearly 
Thank you for sharing that with us! :-)
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 11:41 pm |
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I've got to laugh at this one! Sorry Martijn, you are such a serious researcher and here you are telling us you've been called Martino the Magic Troll. Its great!! Its human!! And I love it!
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 09:36 am |
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Sue Compton wrote: Why do many modern hand readers prefer the term 'cheirologist' to 'palmist'? Any thoughts?
Some people get confused with the term "Chirology" and "Cheirology'. There is no difference. These are dialects from Greek. Greek for "Cheir" and "ology" will be "Hand" and "study or academia". The fact that the "e" is not present does not change the pronunciation or meaning of the word. "Hand Analysis" is most commonly known in Europe (Switzerland) and America (United States), "Cheirology" is mostly known in the United Kingdom, but "Chirology" is widely used in South Africa. In 2008, The South African society of Chirologists decided to change "Cheirology" to "Chirology" in order to keep up with international standards, and to raise the current standards in South Africa. This decision was made by Kevin Leak BA, founder and director of the Cheirology Research Organisation residing in Pretoria, and Jennifer Hirsch F.Dip.CS.UK, who's responsible for the introduction in Chirology in South Africa residing in Margate. They are the biggest influences of Chirology in South Africa. There is a difference between Chirology and Palmistry. Chirology is the study of the whole hand, used in diagnosis or psychological, physical, emotional, and mental attributes, but Palmistry, even today still has the stigma upon it, is used for analysis of ones life of love, marriage, and mainly used for future predicting. Chirologists or Cheirologists originated from The Cheirological Society, founded and directed by Terrence Dukes in 1976, when qualifications were issued out under the credentials F.Dip.CS.UK, meaning Foundation Diploma in Cheirological Society United Kingdom, higher levels of qualifications were also issued under the credentials C.Soc. Therefore the holders of a F.Dip.CS.UK or C.Soc. are qualified Cheirologists, same as holders of Msc.D in Metaphysics Science, are qualified Metaphysicians. Even though there are many realms of Chirology, the 5 Element realm and the Hand Analysis Realm are the same, consist of the same information and the (roughly) the same diagnosis. Palmistry still runs on it's on realm. The 5 Element realm consists of classification of elements (fire, earth, water, ether and air) and astrological entities (mount of moon, Jupiter finger, etc). This realm is used as a universal language for any hand analysts (Chirology, Palmistry, etc). The 5 Element realm has no connection with Astrology, even though astrological entities are used in classifications. Article written by Ron Alain Venter©. You'll shit if I find this somewhere else without written consent. Here are the links on this article:
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Hi, Susan,
I would like to add another the oldest synonyms words used to identify palmist in the land of its origin:
In India Palmist called as
Hast-Rekha-Shastry - means a learned person who has knowledge of Palm and Iines of palm.
Hast-Samudrik-Shastry- means a learned person who has knowledge of Palm and Iines of palm and knowledge of physiognomy.
Samudrik Shastry- means a learned person who has knowledge of physiognomy. They study the whole body and tells about the good or bad omens of parts of our body.( Here They Consider Palm as only one part of our body)
In India traditional palmist never called themselves as hand reader but they like if we call them as Samudrik Shastry.
Now what do you thing about yourself ?
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Bharatiya Jyotish Sansthan.Ahmedabad.
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Your website's looking good Ron Alain. I notice you wrote about the
"British Cheirology Society, Cheirology Society of Great Britain, the British Cheirological Society (the exact name could be either one of them)"
If it helps to clarify - the original society set up by Katherine St Hill in 1889 was called "The Chirological Society of Great Britain". I've looked at various correspondence, newsletters & Diplomas I've got from the Society set up by Terry Dukes in 1976, and it's all headed "The Cheirological Society" - he's added an 'e' to chirological, no mention of Great Britain or British. The Cheirological Society eventually had branches, or representatives, in various countries - Jen Hirsch being the S.African rep.
P.S. F.Dip.CS (Foundation Diploma, Cheirological Society) was the first level of qualification, but there were also higher levels of diploma issued by the C.Soc.
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Lynn, thank you so much, I really appreciate it.
I changed the info. Providing the right info needs to be of importance.
Is there anybody that's done the C.Soc.?
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Thanks.
you asked "Is there anybody that's done the C.Soc.?"
sorry for my confusing abbreviation, I meant there were also higher levels of diploma issued by the Cheirological Society. I got as far as L.Int.Dip (Lower Intermediate Diploma) and was just starting my teaching diploma when the society folded. There was also H.Int.Dip (Higher Intermediate), CS Adv Dip (Advanced Diploma). I think about 20 - 22 people got L.Int.Dip and only a couple of people got the higher levels.
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