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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 08:58 am

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Hi Sue Compton and all members,

I am a new member from India and at times I read hands just for the sake of hobby. This hobby started in me when I predicted once by seeing the hand of a person and I knew that the said person will have some serious problems after marriage eventhough the fault was not of him/her. Because that's fate and it was bound to happen. And my predictions came 100% correct. This said person suffered like hell for 5 years after marriage. This I noticed 15-18 years back, and thus I developed an interest in Palmistry.

I would like to know weather one can combine palmistry with astrology and obtain a proper results. Why I am asking this question is because in my horoscpoe it is found that I have a Gaja Kesari Yoga (an Indian Palmist/Astrologer can understand this). This yoga is supposed to be a benificial yoga and I am also enclosing the drawings/clipart of this yoga if found on a hand according to palmistry. I know about my hand am I am able to understand the certain markings on my hand. But at the same time I am confused.

Well you see it is very easy to see others peoples hand and predict. But when it comes to reading your own hand you are not sure of. I keep seeing others peoples hands and tell certain things about marriage/relationships ...etc. Because here is what I am a little bit good at. Hence I am going to post my hand print soon on this site. I would like to know weather anybody could genuinely help me. I will also be interacting about my hand with the person who predicts it. Its so nice to see lots of experienced people in this forum who know a lot about palmistry.

Soon I wll try to send my hand imprint for all members who are interested to experiment in reading about hands. In the mean time I am attaching a clipart on how a Gaja Kesari Yoga Hand should look like.

Thanks for taking your time and reading my message/query. Replies are welcomed.

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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 04:57 am

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Hello pn73,

You are absolutely right here, both of these fields are co-linked with each other and reading palm with relation to horoscope [INDIAN ASTROLOGY] readings is a nice approach. You can check adverse periods from lines marked on palm linking these with vimshotry periods and planetary transits from moon sign, also from placements of planets in horoscope, by linking these with twelve houses / signs which has been assigned proper place in palm such as e.g. MOUNT OF JUPITER [HOUSE NO 2] MOUNT OF SATURN [HOUSE NO 10] etc., and at which point we find a sign of a planet, we can find the house of a horoscope, where that planet is placed, which is a most important point while analyzing a horoscope. In the same manner, twelve signs of zodiac have also been allocated their area on finger phalanges, which are 12 in number. There are books on ASTRO PALMISTRY, which can help any one in acquiring knowledge in this field such as ARUN SAMHITA, LAL KITAB, A BOOK ON ASTRO PALMISTRY BY CHOUDHRY. In these books, techniques for enacting a horoscope by reading palm lines / signs is very clearly mentioned.

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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 05:38 am

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Dear members,

Lal-kitab is their in five volumes, but in the first volume 'Lal-kitab ke Farman 1939', original translation from Urdu to Hindi is published by Sagar Publication, Delhi, astropalmistry and physiology is discussed in detail. But lal-kitab astrology is different from tradional 'Parashar' astrology in some aspect and still needs too much research.
I am also trying to understand this very difficult and complex poetic language.

Another book By Sri Narayan dutt Srimaly (of Jodhpur) published by Pustak Mahal, Delhi, writes about the relation of various astrological yogas and palm prints as indicated by pn73. But not a single example is cited and their practical uses. It seems that this writer has accumulated various data from different sources in one book.

Some serious attempt ia made by astro-palmist Sri R G Rao, in his various books, by citing examples. He is very well - versed tradional Nadi astrologer and revealed many secrets of nadi very first time and explained them to the great extent. He has done most genuine work which is publised till date as per my knowledge.

The basic underlying principle laid by R G Rao through nadi techniques and lal-Kitab seems nearly similiar.

Their is one more (great researcher) writer late shri Laxminarayan Shastri of Ajmer, who had worked on thousands of hands prints and has recorded with him.
He made the big change in 'names' of the mounts in hands. He advocates that present names of mounts is not as per 'Surya Sidhantta' and relation with astrology is not possible. So he re-named the mount as per karak tattwa of planets and tried to prove it from his thousand of hand prints he has in his collection.
In some event, i met his grandson who is also palmist, but i didnt found any research attitude as his late grandfather.

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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 10:42 am

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Hello Goal Sahib,

I agree with your saying that system of LAL KITAB is quite different from that of our traditional astrology, this is because of we are supposed to find placement of planets from their signs present on different areas allocated on our palm within 12 houses of horoscope, because the author has clearly mentioned in all publications of LAL KITAB, that he has left the names of twelve rashies, 28 nakshatra, and when we enact a horoscope based on palm reading, we start that chart by giving only number 1 to ascendant instead of marking a number of zodiac singn at rising horizon. He has further allocated a slandered period of action of a particular planet in any one’s life, he has further given a chart in his book for checking movements of planets annually, monthly, daily, days and nights, in hours, minutes and seconds. You will wonder, that we can find two planetary signs i.e. rahu and ketu in one house, which is not possible while doing mathematical calculations, but it is only possible due to presence of planetary sign’s placement on our palm. Further, it is a book, which tell about the influence of our surroundings, our relatives, friends, trees, color of our pen and ink therein and other so many things in the shape of ILM KYAFA. I have gone through only four editions of this book i.e. 1939 [LAL KITAB], 1940 [LAL KITAB KE ARMAAN basically a correction memo of 1939 edition], 1942 [LAL KITAB, an a bit elaborated book above 1939 edition], and last detailed edition published in 1952.

AS YOU SAID

I am also trying to understand this very difficult and complex poetic language.

But if you want to understand this book, please go through its preface [aagaz]. Where the author has clearly mentioned that:

ISS KITAB KO SAMJHANE KE KOSHIS MAT KARNA, ISS KO BTOUR KISSA KAHANI BAAR BAAR PADHTE JAEN, MAJMOON KHUD BAKHUD SHAMJH MEIN AA JAYEGA, KYONKE, IS KITAB KA HAR FURMAAN DUSRE FURMAAN SE ALAG HAI.

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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 03:44 pm

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bhandari1951 wrote: I have gone through only four editions of this book i.e. 1939 [LAL KITAB], 1940 [LAL KITAB KE ARMAAN basically a correction memo of 1939 edition], 1942 [LAL KITAB, an a bit elaborated book above 1939 edition], and last detailed edition published in 1952.

:wave

The five versions are :

1)Lal kitab ke Farman 1939.
2)Lal-kitab ke Arman 1940. (both books are complimentary to each other as per LK).
3)Lal-Kitab Gutka 1941
4)Lal-Kitab 1942 (remedies are better explained here)
5)Lal-Kitab 1952 .

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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 03:57 pm

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Thanks vijay for this information, because I am not having this book in my library as quoted by you 3)Lal-Kitab Gutka 1941 (like a correction memo). can you tell me whether any reprint / translated version of this book is available from publishers like RANJAN PUBLICATIONS, DELHI.

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It is Lal-kitab (tisra hissa) 1941 and its original translation word by word is done by Shri Yograj Prabhakar ji. He has printed at his own press M\s Rahul Computers, Sherawali gate, Patiala.

You can also find this book at Sagar publication, Delhi, in the name of Lal-kitab Gutka 1941, translation by Pt. laxmi kant Vasisth.

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Thanks vijay, for your reply. I will go to Patiala, to get it`s translated version, if availble wiith Ms Rahul Computers, Sherawali gate, Patiala.

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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 01:57 pm

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pn73 wrote: Hi Sue Compton and all members,

I am a new member from India and at times I read hands just for the sake of hobby. This hobby started in me when I predicted once by seeing the hand of a person and I knew that the said person will have some serious problems after marriage eventhough the fault was not of him/her. Because that's fate and it was bound to happen. And my predictions came 100% correct. This said person suffered like hell for 5 years after marriage. This I noticed 15-18 years back, and thus I developed an interest in Palmistry.

I would like to know weather one can combine palmistry with astrology and obtain a proper results. Why I am asking this question is because in my horoscpoe it is found that I have a Gaja Kesari Yoga (an Indian Palmist/Astrologer can understand this). This yoga is supposed to be a benificial yoga and I am also enclosing the drawings/clipart of this yoga if found on a hand according to palmistry. I know about my hand am I am able to understand the certain markings on my hand. But at the same time I am confused.

Well you see it is very easy to see others peoples hand and predict. But when it comes to reading your own hand you are not sure of. I keep seeing others peoples hands and tell certain things about marriage/relationships ...etc. Because here is what I am a little bit good at. Hence I am going to post my hand print soon on this site. I would like to know weather anybody could genuinely help me. I will also be interacting about my hand with the person who predicts it. Its so nice to see lots of experienced people in this forum who know a lot about palmistry.

Soon I wll try to send my hand imprint for all members who are interested to experiment in reading about hands. In the mean time I am attaching a clipart on how a Gaja Kesari Yoga Hand should look like.

Thanks for taking your time and reading my message/query. Replies are welcomed.

Prem.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 03:32 pm

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I am walking on the same lane as Mr. bhandari & Mr. Goel. Western palmistry is some-what different in sapproach as our Vedic Old Practice. e.g. when we say that we can judge a person's month of birth only through observing his phalanges or can even erect an astrological chart only through hand or FACE,, western friends do not accept and feel it ODD.

My research & observation have convinced me that there is a Relationship between astrology & Palmistry. A native having bad placements in his 3rd house of astrological chart will have definately signs showing on his Mercury & Moon mounts.

A bulging Venus mount having good signs is a sign of good placement of Venus in his chart.

From lines of hand CAN an astrological chart be VERIFIED. Hence Palmistry is one step ahead from astrology though Astrology is its Master.

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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 03:06 pm

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Hi all,
I have posted my hand in the open palmistry form under the heading "Can you guide me". Need some feedback from you all.
Regards,
Prem.

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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 05:35 pm

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Mr. 5starz,

Nice to meet you here.

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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 05:46 pm

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Mr. pn73,

The image you have posted from the book, that writer himself has not made any research of it. There is a mere collection of data from various sources and its origin from which original classic is also not mentioned.

The book seems to be un-authentic for me in general but it gives us some guideline and scope to do some research over this subject.

Secondly all yogas in vedic astrology leads to some specific traits and results.
We can only verify that traits and result from hand as a whole, insteads of direct planetary combination in hand.

The underlying principle of planet in horoscope and palmistry has quite difference and cannot be used in direct fashion.

So donot have much hope for the reply of your query.

Best Wishes,
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 07:19 am

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Thanks for the reply Mr. Vijay Goel Ji,

The underlying principle of planet in horoscope and palmistry has quite difference and cannot be used in direct fashion.

So do not have much hope for the reply of your query.

This statement which you made above, I am not satisfied with your reply. First of all what is Palmistry and Astrology. Well if I am correct palmistry and astrology are science/art/technique by which one can have the ability to know/judge your past/present/future of the present life. So the over all function of Astrology and Palmistry is to guide you in your present life. This is a tool wherein one can use it as an overall guidance to know what is in store and where your life is heading and weather it can be changed if the influences are bad, by developing a positive attitude and positive will power to change the course.

Palmistry and Astrology are like say two branches of the same tree. Only the approach is different. Then how can two branches contradict. After all its the same tree with a common purpose to deliver a common outcome.

Suppose you have a mango tree, you cannot have one branch of mango tree and one branch of lemon tree and have two different fruits growing in the same tree.

What I mean here is the outcome "CANNOT BE CONTRADICTIVE" between Astrology and Palmistry. (I will flatly 100% refuse to buy an argument on this statement if any "expert astrologer or a expert palmist" object to this statement of mine .... (absolute no compromise on this from my practical point of view)

I have met couple of astrologes personally, whom I consider nothing but just plain bunch of Jokers, who are expert in exploiting the mental situation and commercialised the art of Astrology for their own personal financial gains by doing a good mind and situation reading. This is not Astrology/Palmistry.

You know what I do when an astrologer tells/predict something major concerning issues, the first thing I try to do is try to tally his readings with my palm readings. This is the most easiest way to catch an Astrologer who is faking Astrology.

I am not a professional palmist, just a hobby palm reader. But let me tell you from my personal experience, if an Astrologer is going to predict/read the chart of a palm reader, then the Astrologer first has to brush up his chart calculating and reading skills/ability, because in the end an Astrologer should not give a common excuse that "Your Birth Chart Timing is Not Correct". Why I am revealing this is I did come accross funny Astrologers personally who are exploiting Astrology and taking people for a ride.

But there are also genuine astrologers too. But in this world where everything is commercialised and money is involved too a great extent "Astrology and Palmistry" have also become commercialised.

Regards,
Prem.

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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 07:40 pm

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pn73 wrote:
What I mean here is the outcome "CANNOT BE CONTRADICTIVE" between Astrology and Palmistry.

I completely agree with above statement.
Indeed Truth is only one.

I am only saying that reading a palm and reading a horoscope does not have same basic principle. Though outcome should be same.

Both branches are equally and independent branches and does not rely on each other.

You said " But in this world where everything is commercialised and money is involved too a great extent "Astrology and Palmistry" have also become commercialised."

Their are fake in every profession.

You have taken palmistry as hobby and if you start misguiding people in the name of palmistry even for free, just to impose your impression, you will be doing great harm to other genuine palmist and general people, than you will be also classified as a fake, even you are not charging anything. (Just an example).

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You have taken palmistry as hobby and if you start misguiding people in the name of palmistry even for free, just to impose your impression, you will be doing great harm to other genuine palmist and general people, than you will be also classified as a fake, even you are not charging anything. (Just an example).

Mr. Vijay Goel,
This above statement is not a gentleman's statement. Tell me in what way I am going to impose an impression and what am I going to gain by doing so. I am not against palmistry. Palmistry is the only subject you cannot fake to your clients. Because every damn thing is clear in your hands. In Astrology and Vasthu you can take your client for a ride.

The problem with Indian Astrologer's are, he expects others not cross question him. Andwhen he finds himself in a tricky/sticky situation the above statement's tells the rest of the thing.

I will write an article on how Astrology and Vaasthu are being missused in India by Astrologers. After posting my article I invite all you EXPERT/PROFESSIONAL Astrologers from India to debate on my article. I am keeping away/out Palmists from my discussion. Because Palmists don't play a major role though in fact Palmistry is the most accurate of all and one cannot fake it to their clients.

I am not against Astrology / Palmistry. I am against the manner in which Astrology anb Vasthu is practised here in India and people are taken for a ride like a mass hysteria by Astrologers. And when I question this damn aspect which is so funny I get funny replies.

I am a practicing vedic astrologer and vastu consultant. (This is contradicting)
Astrology is the science of probabilities not of certainties. (You are accepting here that your predictions will go wrong in a dignified manner) then how can you comment about myself wherein I am openly telling that I do it for the sake of hobby Oh boy ... lol

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Dear Prem,

please see that i am just taking as an example and it does not 'point' at you. I want to say 'money' is not only the reason to misguide any people. :thumbsup

I does not mean any thing wrong for you, and does not have any intention to harm you, nor anybody here in the forum. :yes

I know you are a very curious student and doing hard work to understand. I appreciate all who are trying to do someting good to astrology.

I am waiting for the nice article from you. :thumbup

As your name means, their is nothing to hate.

:ty

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Prem,

Western palmist\cheirologist has very clear mindset that they do not predict future nor beleive in predicting science, they just guide you as per psycological analysis, (weakness and strength ) through hand.
They do not accept any concept of remedies.
They are indeed very practical.

So chances to error is reduced to large extent in reading the psycology of person.

Now, What you are expecting from Indian palmist and astrologers ?

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pn73 wrote: Thanks for the reply Mr. Vijay Goel Ji,

The underlying principle of planet in horoscope and palmistry has quite difference and cannot be used in direct fashion.

So do not have much hope for the reply of your query.

This statement which you made above, I am not satisfied with your reply. First of all what is Palmistry and Astrology. Well if I am correct palmistry and astrology are science/art/technique by which one can have the ability to know/judge your past/present/future of the present life. So the over all function of Astrology and Palmistry is to guide you in your present life. This is a tool wherein one can use it as an overall guidance to know what is in store and where your life is heading and weather it can be changed if the influences are bad, by developing a positive attitude and positive will power to change the course.

Regards,
Prem.

Your said is true but you have not understand what i wanted to convey you.

You wanted to cross check your Gaj-Kesari yoga of astrology in hand, how you will do it. ? I dont say that it is impossible but definately very hard.

We do have some communication gap.

i have tried to explain my point at
http://www.internationalcollegeofpalmistry.com/forum/forum142/3631-2.html

:thanx

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Dear Mr. Vijay Goel,
Thanks for your feedback and reply. We did have a kind of healthy heated argument. You see I don't have anything personal against you. My perception about astrology and in particular the way it is practised here in India like a blind mass hysteria .... I am a bit kind of angry on how they (astrologers) are entitled to take particular decissions (especially involving marriages) which I feel they are not entitled to do so which is my personal opinion.

I will write an article later because I need time for that. In the mean time I will try to present another article on how one can try to know how life was and where it is heading without the help of astrology/palmistry/numerology/tarrot .....etc. Quite interesting .... is'nt it? :thumbup

It will be a nice topic to discuss.

I will let you know when I post it.

Regards,
Prem.
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